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on: May 09, 2014, 10:43:33 AM
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I hate censorship, but I must point out that reading that note as "China is afraid of bitcoin" is just wishful thinking. That Summit looks like a marketing ploy for the Bitfund.pe investment fund. If it is a repackaging of investing in bitcoin, like SMBIT and PBP, that fund is a terrible investment, which any country with a functioning SEC should prohibit. (The Chinese exchanges apparently pulled out of that Summit some days ago.)
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Economy / Securities / Re: Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread)
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on: May 09, 2014, 02:28:22 AM
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"Romualdas Antonovicius" Sorry, what is this about? The name is not "Romualdas Antonovicius", the address does not match the one on his CV... The "Colchester St., Coventry" named on Mr. Antonovicius's CV seems to be this pedestrian lane (imaged in Oct/2012): https://www.google.com.br/maps/@52.411441,-1.499684,3a,75y,83.18h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sFDAAhl42nl3CGhub_FgbLQ!2e0
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: May 09, 2014, 01:33:49 AM
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The news - on coin desk and such - make it sound as if there is an international coalition of Mt. Gox. victims who thinks this taking over is best for them.
And as usual Coindesk is totally uncritical. [/quote] But perhaps a couple of biggest holders want to divide these 200,000 BTC among them, at the cost of smaller holders like you ...
Right. According to some rumors, one of the largest accounts in the leaked MtGOX database was Mark's. Will he get his share of the 200'000 too? (in a liquidation, the owners have the lowest priority.) According to those rumors, other large accounts belonged to close friends of Mark. By the way, no one knows who leaked that database and whether it is true. It may have been doctored with the intent of stealing a large part of the remaining coins. Suppose for example that the sum of all BTC account balances was actually 400'000, and the database was altered by adding another 400'000 to the accounts of certain clients, bringing the total to 800'000 BTC. If the remaining 200 000 BTC were distributed according to the true database, each ordinary client would get 50% of his balance. With the faked database, he will get only 25% of his balance, while those special clients would get to split 100'000 BTC that were never theirs. The only hope to get the truth is through a police investigation. If Sunlot takes over, no one will ever know what really happened inside MtGOX, and no one will know whether the payments (if any) were fair. (I actually don't care about whether the clients will lose those 200'000 BTC too to "MtGOX 2.0", but like any sane person I get very upset when I learn that scammers and thieves got away, free and rich.)
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: May 09, 2014, 12:42:41 AM
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Chinese Slumber Method prediction for Friday May 09Prediction valid for: Friday 2014-05-09, 19:00--19:59 UTC (not before, not after) Huobi's predicted price: 2731 CNY Bitstamp's predicted price: 440 USD [ Plot legend ] The data point for today May/08 was good (S = 0.0026, W = 0.870), however it was way off the assumed trend (straight line defined by two previous points). There is no plausible trend fitting the last three points, so the least unreasonable option is the straight line defined by the last two. Namely, A + B*(d-d0), where (d-d0) is the number of days since May/07, A = 2755, B = -12. The Bitstamp prediction, as usual, is the Huobi prediction divided by the currency conversion factor R, taken to be 6.20 CNY/USD. Its value was 6.21 today (May/07), but 6.16 yesterday, and 6.23, 6.18, 6.16, 6.17 on the previous good sample times. Checking the previous predictionPrediction was posted on: Wednesday 2014-05-07, 21:51 UTC Prediction was valid for: Thursday 2014-05-08, 19:00--19:59 UTC (~21 hours later) Punished again for being bull: Huobi's predicted price: 2838 CNY Huobi's actual price (L+H)/2: 2743 CNY Error: 95 CNY (~15 USD) Bitstamp's predicted price: 460 USD Bitstamp's actual price (L+H)/2: 442 USD Error: 18 USD NOTE: "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire EDIT: fixed the explanation of the prediction.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: May 08, 2014, 08:01:11 PM
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I am very puzzled that there is a company willing to take over Mt. Gox. Mt Gox's assets are MINUS 650,000 BTC and perhaps MINUS 20-50 millions $. Their only other asset is their "reputation".
Can anybody sane be willing to pay 650,000 BTC for Karpeles exchange's reputation of being scammers and possibly thiefs? Or their buggy, obsolete software without even production version?
They do not intend to assume that 650'000 BTC debt. Check those threads.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: May 08, 2014, 07:23:39 PM
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Indeed. And they already said on this forum that they will relieve Gonzague Gay-Bouchery, Mark's second-in-command, from any responsibility -- before even starting the investigation of the "theft". (They say that Gonzague's "preventive pardon" was needed to get him to support the plan. But why do they need the suport of the management of a company that failed because of the mysterious disappearance of half a billion dollars?) And they did not say a word about investigating and/or prosecuting Mark. They may well end up hiring him to do the investigation and run the site. But of course Sunlot is not a plot to grab 200'000 BTC for nothing, save Mark's and Gonzague's skins, and allow the thief to keep his stolen 600'000 BTC. It may look that way, but it is not.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: May 08, 2014, 07:04:50 PM
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After staring at these forums for months on end and watching the overall price of BTC fall during that time it was really great to see someone speak in such a way as to fill me with complete confidence that the future of Bitcoin is looking bright. Antonopoulos fully endorsed Neo & Bee. What credibility does he have now? (And didn't he do a pseudo-audit of some exchange, too? Or am I confusing him with some other Bitcoin Priest?) Speaking of priests, I see that Roger Ver is one of the key speakers at that Chinese Bitcoin summit organized by the new Chinese (or Peruvian?) investment fund Bitfund.pe. Roger Ver posted a video on YouTube vouching for the solvency of his friend Karpelès's MtGOX. (How many people lost money because they trusted his "audit"?) A nice way to inspire confidence in that new fund...
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: May 08, 2014, 04:51:41 PM
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In another thread people are arguing that SecondMarket's BIT fund only buys bitcoins on Thursdays. That could be wrong (perhaps they merely update their accounting weekly on Thursdays). I believe that it would be a bad business practice for any big player trader to publicly disclose any exact details of its buy/sell pattern ahead of time. Accordingly, the logic does NOT make sense that any big player trader would engage in such a before-hand disclosure of such. Maybe, but they have been buying less than 2000 BTC per week on average. Does that make them "big players", enough to influence the market price?
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: May 08, 2014, 04:22:10 PM
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In another thread people are arguing that SecondMarket's BIT fund only buys bitcoins on Thursdays. That could be wrong (perhaps they merely update their accounting weekly on Thursdays). But, assuming that the conjecture is true, here is a theory for the "Thursday dumps": SMBIT are said to buy opportunistically from various sources, but only if and when some investor buys their shares. Perhaps miners and other habitual SMBIT sources hold their bitcoins until Thursday waiting for a possible SMBIT call, and when that doesn't materialize they sell them on market instead. (OK, ok, but it this still not the silliest theory on this thread, is it?)
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: May 08, 2014, 12:21:52 PM
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Can someone clue me in here...
Is this just another pump led by the Chinese? or is this news driven?
From my understanding, some of the banks still have not issued deposit closure to the Chinese exchanges, but will at some point.
Could be that some traders see some advantage in having a large BTC balance in the Chinese exchanges after May/10. E.g. to sell to other addicted traders as in OKCoin's broker mechanism. Or to sell to lazy and ill-informed clients who will end up with yuan trapped inside the exchanges and will need to convert them to BTC to get their money out.
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on: May 08, 2014, 12:13:02 PM
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yes, huobi is above 2800 yens yens is japanese currency and reminds everyone about mtgox. chinese currency is called yuans. [wikipedantic] Actually the Mandarin Chinese word "yuán" and the Japanese word "yen", as well as the Korean "won", are cognates, the latter two being of Chinese origin, and all three basically meaning "round" or "round object" in the respective languages. The yuan and the yen have the same "westernized" symbol "¥" but different symbols in their languages, "元" and "円" respectively. [/wikipedantic]
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: May 07, 2014, 10:45:43 PM
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The predicition was bad, as expected from the banal extrapolation:
[...] NOTE: Extrapolating the current trend, by the end of June the date will be May 61, 2014.
You might be a pigheaded statist neo-luddite when it comes to our little crypto experiment, but I like your sense of humor. Thanks! I accept the "pigheaded statist", but neo-luddite?!?! I will have nothing to do with any crazy new fads. Seriously now: while it was just an experiment, it was great. But it has already mutated into something else, not so little and not so great...
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: May 07, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
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Chinese miners hold like crazy
Why do you think so? I understand that mining for immediate sale was a very lucrative business for some time. While that lasted, someone might engage in mining even if he did not believe in high future prices, in which case selling right away would be the best policy. I do not know whether mining-for-sale is profitable at current prices, I see many conflicting statements about that. If not, then presumably the miners who believe in high future prices are hoarding, those who secured long-term contracts with favorale prices are selling, and all the others have stopped mining.
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