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941  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2014, 06:20:27 AM
I would guess that OKCoin clients are reacting to the rumor about that multi-billion hedge fund "trading on their platform".  The rumor seems to be unconfirmed, though.

I guess the "rumour" could be verified by the transaction volume.

That volume could be generated by the common traders, given the huge price increase. 

Yesterday's traded volume at OKCoin was "only" ~430 kBTC.  Their previous daily record was ~280 kBTC (three separate days in Feb--Mar/2014). 
942  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2014, 06:01:13 AM
I think this is typical pump by okcoin and btcchina with much more than 50% fake volume at 0% fees.
I don't know where this is going, but this is weird Smiley

The rally seems to be pulled by OKCoin. Huobi is usually within a few CNY from OKCoin, but now it is considerably lower (almost 100 CNY below at one time earlier today).  And the "Western" exchanges are even lower.

I would guess that OKCoin clients are reacting to the rumor about that multi-billion hedge fund "trading on their platform".  The rumor seems to be unconfirmed, though.

Perhaps OKCoin's online forum has some hints about the causes of this rally.
943  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: November 13, 2014, 05:32:17 AM
Would the number 360 not be more appropriate for an full circle?
"an" full circle?
Since this is gentleman, shouldn't we apply loser standards on other peoples spelling and grummar, and hodl back our criticisms?
944  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will the new 3 billion Euro Hedge fund take bitcoin to moon? on: November 13, 2014, 04:19:38 AM
"The fund started trading on our platform" could mean "the fund licensed OKCoin trading software to trade their shares" or "the fund started trading their shares on the OKCoin servers + software".

I recal OKCoin boasting of their previous experience with financial/banking processing.  The above interpretation would be great news for OKCoin and their VC investors, but would be irrelevant for bitcoin.
945  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2014, 03:47:13 AM
maybe I sound pretty stupid, but can anyone explain me quick  what

that indicator tells me "MACD"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MACD

(Ahem, I cannot resist pointing out that I helped edit that article, a few months ago. Smiley)
946  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2014, 12:06:28 AM
This means nothing, and probably not true. If you control $3 Billion why are you going to lose your time trading in OKCoin...? Makes no sense at all. You don't have enough market depth to even move some millions...

Just to be clear, what I think that the OKCoin guy meant is that the fund has licensed OKcoin's trading software, and perhaps is using their IT infrastructure, for their own shares.
947  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2014, 12:02:38 AM
Also:  "I am an avid supporter of Ripple and encourage everyone to invest their life savings in XRP."  -Jorge Stolfi

Quote is from a few days ago. I'm unable to find the post, but I assure you it existed.

You are misquoting me, I don't give investment advice.  I said only that I have converted the entirety of my bitcoin holdings to XRP.  And I am still doubling them every day.

(The first mention of bitcoin I saw was Falkvinge tweeting, last November: "I give no investment advice, but I am putiing all my savings into bitcoin".  Which he kept at MtGOX.) 
948  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2014, 11:46:46 PM
It looks like there is a lot of fresh money on OKcoin due to the hedgefond that stepped in. Arbitrage bots on the other exchanges might not have been prepared for this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2m0ey8/tuur_demeester_on_twitter_okcoin_rep_a_new_hedge/

The head article by Tuur was taken down.  (Tuur is the guy who once spoke wonders of Neo&Bee, right?)

I listened to a bit of the interview, it was not clear to me what the guy meant.  The phrase could be understood as "that fund is now using OKCoin's platform (i.e. servers + software + support personel) to trade its own shares, not bitcoin".  No?  (That would be great news for OKCoin and their VC investors, irrelevant for bitcoin & traders.)
949  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucked us over again on: November 12, 2014, 11:40:32 PM
Could you please sniff out this website and make sure it is legitimate?
I don't want to visit any honeypot made by BFL.

Well, to my plebeian eyes the contents seems very much like what a good lawyer would write, and a good web admin hired by a well-paying lawyer would construct.   Note for example the careful and repetitive statements to the effect "I have no idea yet" that end most items in the FAQ.  I don't think that the people who wrote BFL's defense statements would write like this. 

But those devils are much cleverer than me...

Does the email address listed in the IP registration records (eljreceiver@spencerfane.com) match that listed in reliable sources?

BTW, the MtGOX liquidator set up an informational website too, although it is way more spartan than the above, IIRC.
950  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2014, 08:20:24 PM
Arbitrage doesn´t seem to work even within China...

The arbitragers may have run out of BTC or money during this rally.  (Todayś volume is already 198 kBTC at Huobi, 380 kBTC OkCoin. The previous record at the latter was 285 kBTC, back in March, after one of the PBoC scares.)


951  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2014, 08:14:13 PM
Can anyone tell me a reason why Bitcoin shouldn't be worth more than WhatsApp?

Does WhatsApp have any patents/copyrights on their "technology"? (Presumably they own the brand.)
952  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2014, 07:03:10 PM
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Data from Blockchain points to a steady increase in the number of daily transactions, although that change is not followed by a corresponding rise in transaction fees. This, in turn, points to a greater number of non-commercial transactions taking place.

what the hell are non-commercial transactions and why would they carry a higher fee?


Commerical blockchain transactions are bitcoins changing owner in return for goods or services.  We can include bitcoins converted to cash through Bitpay/Coinbase.

Non-commercial transactions are bitcoins moving between addresses of the same owner (tumbling, hotwallet-coldwallet flow, consolidation and splitting, etc.), bitcoins exchanged by other currencies (via localbitcoins or OTC trades), or transfers between private wallets and bitcoin "banks" (entities where deposited bitcoins are stored in personal accounts, e.g. exchanges and gambling sites).

Coindesk apparently assumes that non-commercial trasactions generally offer SMALLER fees than commercial ones.  So, the rise in number of transactions without an increase in total fees suggests that only the non-commercial transactions are increasing.

It is hard to tell, though, since commercial transacions must be a small fraction of the total trasactions entering the blockchain.  Any increase in the commercial traffic would be hard to separate from the non-commercial one.
953  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucked us over again on: November 12, 2014, 06:46:43 PM
I suppose that BFL is okay with returning 4 million (only) to those that recently solicited for refunds.
Anyone else from previous generations of near useless hardware is just stuck up the creek without a paddle.

Why do you say so? I believe they are investigating all the past history of BFL, and I do not see why they would favor new refund requests over old ones. 

AFAIK, in bankrupcies, the receiver posts a deadline for all creditors to submit their claims, while he collects all the company assets. Then the receiver checks the claims and rejects invalid ones.  Then, if the recovered assets are not sufficient to cover all claims, they are divided proportionally to the amounts claimed, e.g. 50 cents to the dolar.  The FTC intervention is not a bankruptcy, but erhaps it will follow the same method (which IMHO is the fairest practical solution I can think of).
954  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: November 12, 2014, 05:53:23 PM
Are you talking about some chain?
yes, a butt chain.
What was again the penalty for violating the only rule of this game?
No one really knows. Who should we ask??
I guess this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=32204 anyone seen him around?
He was active yesterday I think. Think he'll check back?
Does he still care to know whether we would like a bacon sandwich?
Why on earth would anybody care about that?
indeed, shoud we ask that to the Original Poster?
Seriously, you just bypassed me.. any idea how that makes me feel?
We edited at the same time; would you forgive me if I repeat your question 'didn't you read all the 313 pages of this thread?'?
955  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: November 12, 2014, 05:34:01 PM
Are you talking about some chain?
yes, a butt chain.
What was again the penalty for violating the only rule of this game?
No one really knows. Who should we ask??
I guess this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=32204 anyone seen him around?
He was active yesterday I think. Think he'll check back?
Does he still care to know whether we would like a bacon sandwich?
Why on earth would anybody care about that?
indeed, shoud we ask that to the Original Poster?
956  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: November 12, 2014, 02:24:53 PM
Are you talking about some chain?
yes, a butt chain.
What was again the penalty for violating the only rule of this game?
No one really knows. Who should we ask??
I guess this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=32204 anyone seen him around?
He was active yesterday I think. Think he'll check back?
Does he still care to know whether we would like a bacon sandwich?
957  Economy / Speculation / Re: SecondMarket Bitcoin Investment Trust Observer on: November 12, 2014, 02:08:26 PM
I'd have to double check the letter again from the SEC, but I don't think it said anything about prohibiting buying shares, just selling.

That would be quite unusual.  Unless the SEC is worried about the huge loss that some customers would face if they liquidated now.

Earlier this year, SMBIT did promise that an open market for their shares would be available this year (which quarter?).  Perhaps the SEC letter has something to do with that promise?
958  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: November 12, 2014, 09:05:47 AM
Are you talking about some chain?
yes, a butt chain.
What was again the penalty for violaing the only rule of this game?
959  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: November 12, 2014, 03:09:29 AM
What chain?
960  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2014, 02:53:54 AM
What hedge fund uses their entire 3 billion on bitcoin? They are probably only putting 1% of their 3 billion euro into bitcoin. Nobody said they came to the exchange with 3 billion euro. LMAO!

Is that fund trading bitcoin, or is it just using their trading platform to trade something else?
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