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1461  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 19, 2014, 04:31:14 PM
Also down the line if Alibaba become BTC friendly... it could be a good thing... at the moment they are anti BTC.

They were forbidden by the Chinese government to sell bitcoins, quote prices in bitcoin, or engage in certain other bitcoin activities.
1462  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 19, 2014, 02:33:23 PM
what happened? what variance? no block found for a few hours?
From the blockchain.info quotes, I understood that there was a ~40 minute gap without a block.
we're fine
http://coinorama.net/blockchain

Block 321522 took 36 minutes, but next ones were OK.

1463  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 19, 2014, 02:12:16 PM
what happened? what variance? no block found for a few hours?

From the blockchain.info quotes, I understood that there was a ~40 minute gap without a block.
1464  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 19, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
Nice try, pretty sure it's just variance. Miners shutting down would be visible on the difficulty chart first of all. But I'm sure you know this and are just panic bearing  Tongue

But, isn't the difficulty adjusted AFTER the block delay has changed?
1465  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 19, 2014, 11:20:14 AM
My guess for the immediate cause of this drop is that the Chinese traders are losing interest in bitcoin and are selling to get out. 

The guess is based only on their dominance of the market since November.  Is there any other evidence for or against this guess?  Assuming the guess is correct, what could have caused them to lose interest?
1466  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: September 19, 2014, 05:04:11 AM

The above question isn't a question, or I'm wrong?
Haven't we decided already that a sentence is a question if, and only if, it ends with a question mark?
Did I just see the Satoshi's Eye inside that ponzi pyramid sentence ending with a question mark which we have already decided IS a question?
If the Supreme Satoshi has only one eye, is that a left eye or a right eye?
1467  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 19, 2014, 02:34:17 AM
You don't sell Bitcoins 1 day before IPO and also IPO is not for small guys. Bullshit mostly this as a reason, this was purely momentum triggered after nice work done the same way as many times before from the same wall-bear. But could still be some guys selling for IPO, but nothing spectacular.

Well, Alibaba is Chinese, and it seems that the price only reacts to news that matter to the Chinese..

Can we tell which exchanges are leading the drop?

IMHO, the coincidence of times justifies looking for a connection between the drop and the IPO.

For instance, could it be that Chinese hoarders (not traders) moving their off-exchange coins to the "Western" exchanges and selling them there, in a hurry, in order to obtain dollars for Alibaba's IPO?
1468  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2014, 08:18:01 PM
This is the real recovered QR code.
It's not a bitcoin address. My android app translates it to a number: 13501619


Sorry for wasting your time... It is just some random QR code that I mangled with random cut-pastes on gimp.
1469  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2014, 08:14:32 PM
Has anybody else noticed that on Bitstamp the sellers are mostly small fractional BTC sales while the buyers are in multiple BTC. This tells me that the real money is buying from "scared" small sellers.

There is arbitrage going on.  Depending on which exchange is driving the crash, arbitragers will mostly buy at one place and mostly sell at the other.

It coudl also be that small transactions are experienced traders using robots that post many small orders, while the bigger transactions are newbies posting orders manually.
1470  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2014, 08:05:48 PM
Second: my Euro denominated bank account hasn't lost more than 50% of its purchasing power in the last half year, as far as I can tell. So, in the short to mid term then, the Euro was a vastly better store of value than Bitcoin. Care to argue with those facts?
No, was thinking of the Argentinian peso and the bolivar.

The Bolivar maybe, but the Argentinean Peso lost "only" 32% of its value over the last 12 months, 22% since Jan/01.
1471  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2014, 07:41:13 PM
Where are JJG and Trolfi? I haven't dropped by here for a while, and it seems so much more peaceful without them. I almost feel like staying.

Busy with classes and other work.  But perhaps it is worth repeating the advice of the wisest bitcoiners:

DON'T INVEST MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE

Graphically:

1472  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2014, 11:59:25 AM
About 2720 CNY now on OKCoin. Price hasn't been this low since the May 2014 Mini-Bubble started.  That Mini-Bubble is fully over now.
1473  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: September 18, 2014, 11:49:48 AM

The above question isn't a question, or I'm wrong?
Haven't we decided already that a sentence is a question if, and only if, it ends with a question mark?
1474  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Did Mt.Gox ask for Provisional Administration or did the Court order it? on: September 18, 2014, 11:29:57 AM
He seems to imply that it was the court that put Mt. Gox into administration, and it was never something he wanted. They won't even let him leave the country.

The timing of the beginning of provisional administration was rather interesting.  As you may recall, the Texas judge was demanding that Karpeles come there to be deposed. Attorney Nobuaki Kobayashi was appointed provisional administrator just in time to prevent Karpeles from having to go to Texas and represent the company in the proceeding.

Creditors started to sue him.

He filed for bankruptcy protection (the full name of the legal procedure) in Japan to stop those multiple lawsuits and replace them by a single lawsuit (that is the purpose of bankruptcy protection law).

While under bankruptcy protection, the company can try to produce a recovery plan to resume business until it can pay off all creditors.

Mark wanted that solution, of course, and sought to sell the company to someone who would keep it operating.

The first thing that the bankruptcy court must decide is whether the recovery plan produced by the company has a chance to succeed and pay off all creditors.  The court easily decided that MtGOX could never recover the ~600'000 missing coins.

That being decided, bankruptcy protection law says that the company must be closed, and a professional liquidator must be appointed by the court with the task of gathering all the remaining assets and dividing them among the creditors', proportionally to their claims.  

I don't know whether that is a routine decision in bankruptcy proceedings, but the prohibition to travel without permission is plain common sense.  Someone who 'lost' half a billion of customer's money would be highly tempted to run away.

I don't recall clearly the events in the US.  IIRC, Mark filed for bakruptcy protection there too, since he had a MtGOX subsidiary company registered in the US.  Either the US bankruptcy court, or a separate (criminal?) court ordered him to appear in person, he didn't.  Things were about to turn nasty, but then Sunlot convinced the person who was suing him in the US to withdraw the lawsuit, and the US bankruptcy court decided that the Japanese bankruptcy court should be the one to do the liquidation.  With those obstacles removed, Sunlot then hoped to convince the Japanese court to stop the liquidation and take control of all the remaining assets (including the ~200'000 "found" coins) for the generous sum of 1.00000000 BTC.

Needless to say, one should not trust anything that Mark or other MtGOX people will say, without confirming it with independent trustworthy sources.  Of which there is an acute shortage, it seems...
1475  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: September 18, 2014, 06:52:29 AM
Are we allowed to link competing threads in this thread, especially ones that've yet mentioned farm animals like cows or goats?
Does this thread need less cow(bell) and more chicken, as in Chickenfly Labs?
what is the meaning of his question?
Do you think that in this thread all the questions have a meaning?
Which questions don't have meaning?
Did you know that the anagram for 'Meaning' is 'Nag Me In'?
How does one 'nag me in'?
Are you sure you want to know it?
Should we care that the anagram of "Gleb Gamow likes anagram" is "Waggle Mob likes a ragman"?
1476  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2014, 06:04:40 AM
Children, what is going on? Why BTC is going down again?

Perhaps it was that tweet that @Walsoraj posted yesterday, about a famous Chinese investor declaring a large investment in Ripple. (Unless it was a hoax...)  THAT could have an impact on the outlook of the Chinese traders.
1477  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process on: September 18, 2014, 05:30:58 AM
This board is the scammiest place ive been to on the internet, and i have seen alot of internet in my life...

Amen!  Tongue
1478  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: September 17, 2014, 12:19:45 PM
Did you know that an old lady swallowed a goat, then swallowed a cow, and did not die for that?
1479  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2014, 12:15:16 PM
Lot of miners have bought their equipment using btc, so they want to earn btc not usd. Also, lot of miners don't sell everything they make, at this price, you have to be quite desperate to sell the coins.

Miners want to make a profit.  If a miner bought their equipment for 1000 BTC in January, mined 1200 BTC with it, and paid 100'000 dollars of electricity, he invested 900'000$ and got back less than 600'000$, so he lost money.    Even if he loves BTC, he would be better off today if he had kept their 900'000$ in the bank; he could buy more than 1800 BTC with it now.  

Miners decide whether to keep, buy, or sell BTC just like any investor or trader.  If there are people selling for 460$ now, why wouldn't they sell too?


EDIT: they --> he
1480  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: September 17, 2014, 08:10:00 AM
does anyone think this thread contains too much cows?
Does it have nearly enough goats, and what's the question to 42?

"Are they talkin' 'bout us?"

How would you like it, Sir: rare, medium or well done?
Is that a cow or a goat?
As long as it's meat why do you care?
If you eat too much meat, doesn't you risk your health?
Does eating meat pose a lot of health risks?
Do health risks pose a lot of risks to eating meat?
Sorry to interrupt, but would you agree with Ogden Nash's analysis that "the cow is of the bovine ilk / one end is moo, the other milk"?
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