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2061  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: August 04, 2014, 01:04:18 AM
For the same reason that there is no need to care about it. You do know that right?
It could be but who cares?
Don't you know it won't matter when the USD crash and people suffer?
Do you know that something is not a question just because you put a question mark at the end?
Do you think that perhaps, someone is leveling up all his accounts in the same thread?
why would I not care about this?
Sorry, I am confused, what was the question again?
2062  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: August 03, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
On the internet, how can one know the biological classification of anyone else?
Are you suggesting that Gleb Gamow is actually a domesticated fowl? Smiley
How could I tell that he/she/it is not?
2063  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
http://youtu.be/d-_DuWWPvKg  
Published on 22 Oct 2013
VERY Interesting interview with R Kurzweil .. also there is a brief bit about Bitcoin and there is some discussion of decentralisation. [ ... ]
Anyone watch the video?
It was fun seeing him squirm and dodge while the interviewer tried (twice) to press him into endorsing bitcoin. 8-)
Indeed.. but also the least interesting part of the video.
I predict that by 2030 malnutrition will be a major public health problem among the patrons of all-senses-covered virtual restaurants.  Cheesy

(Something like that was described in an old book by Stanislaw Lem, /The Futrological Congress/.  By the way, that is where the Wachowski stole the red pill / blue pill idea from.)
2064  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2014, 05:20:28 PM
http://youtu.be/d-_DuWWPvKg  
Published on 22 Oct 2013
VERY Interesting interview with R Kurzweil .. also there is a brief bit about Bitcoin and there is some discussion of decentralisation. [ ... ]
Anyone watch the video?
It was fun seeing him squirm and dodge while the interviewer tried (twice) to press him into endorsing bitcoin. 8-)

2065  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2014, 05:04:06 PM
Taking all factors (political, financial, rationality, greed, etc.) into consideration, I predict BTC will hit a high of $950 in 2015 and settle at about $750.
I predict your prediction to be wrong.
I predict that yours may be right or may be wrong.
2066  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: August 03, 2014, 05:02:06 PM
what if we're not actually rolling them and this is a dream?
But if nothing that we build lasts forever, what is the difference between dream and reality?
Speaking of reality, did anybody else here dream about fucking a chicken last night?
Are you joking or just perverted? Cheesy
On the internet, how can one know the biological classification of anyone else?
2067  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: August 03, 2014, 02:01:36 PM
what if we're not actually rolling them and this is a dream?
But if nothing that we build lasts forever, what is the difference between dream and reality?
2068  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: August 03, 2014, 01:42:33 PM
do you know why rolling papers are called rolling papers?
Could it be because by any other name they would still be rolling papers?
2069  Economy / Speculation / Re: SecondMarket Bitcoin Investment Trust Observer on: August 03, 2014, 01:32:14 PM
I agree this is a long term holding vehicle.  It's fees to buy and sell are just too expensive for short term trading.  Plus with only monthly liquidity a terrible vehicle for short term trading.
And they have a maintenance fee too. Do they still have the six-month minimum holding period?
2070  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will plummet to $10 by first half of 2014 on: August 03, 2014, 11:19:22 AM
Ugh, why doesn't Coindesk just publish the tanscript of the interview, instead of paraphrasing what he said?

Bitcoin's price today is obviously determined by speculation.  The projections of it "going to the moon" assume that people will one day buy it in order to use it as payment medium.  Dividing the estimated volume of e-commerce by the number of bitcoins available in the market gives an astronomical  price.  But that demand -- "buy to pay" -- is still much smaller than "buy to hold" and "buy to daytrade".

And "buy to daytrade" is still mostly in China, where "buy to pay" cannot grow.  If the Chinese speculators get tired of bitcoin, the price will fall at least to 350 USD.  This is no theoretical prediction, it already got down there for a moment one day, when it seemed that the Chinese government was about to close the exchanges in China.  How far could it drop below that? 
2071  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucks us over again on: August 03, 2014, 06:11:50 AM
This post by alleged former employee claims that
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Butterfly labs has been making monarchs since at least February of this year after they got the chips and had them put on pcbs since January that is why there were 50-60 employees working in February like the court papers stated otherwise we all wouldn't have had anything to do.

What was made was delivered by BFL or picked up by vans and delievered to hosting companies seen on this page... http://www.coinware.io/

http://www.hashtrade.com/about.html Greg Bachrach is related to James Gibson by marriage I believe but don't know how.
Who is James Gibson?


2072  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2014, 04:06:14 AM
Volume at the new OKCoin/International exchange (BTC x USD) is growing slowly, but is still at 450 BTC/day (not kBTC!) while OKCoin/China has about 60'000 BTC/day now.

Volume at BitVC, Huobi's "international" exchange (BTC x CNY only, it seems), is still unknown since they apparently show only the combined volume Huobi+BitVC, about 24'000 BTC/day now.(I wonder whether they have a merged order book?)

2073  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucks us over again on: August 02, 2014, 10:51:17 PM
Seriously, if BFL were a scam, HashTrade would be screaming high heaven since they have a multi-million dollar order for Monarchs.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11283333.htm


Obviously, you missed the memo depicting that BFL uses HashTrade's family of hosting facilities to host mining contracts.
Who owns HashTrade? 
2074  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: August 02, 2014, 10:28:54 PM
This is incorrect, you are forgetting there are no "coins" in Bitcoin, just inputs and outputs. The government can have a list of blacklisted inputs, but you can always move your coins through a mixer and get new inputs for your transactions, just the same as cashiers do in your example, and their blacklist would not hold for long just the same as banknote blacklist gets meaningless outside of the banknotes first move.
Bitcoin mixers are just a money laundering service; if they are not traps set up by the police, they will be illegal in that scenario (governments set up official database of tainted coins).  Sending your coins to a bitcoin laundering service will flag you as a suspect, and  any tainted input in a transaction will make all outputs tainted too. 

With the current blockchain traffic volume, it would be easy to keep such a database updated in real time, and the extra time+cost of checking it would be small compared to the time+cost required  the bitcoin transaction itself.
2075  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: August 02, 2014, 10:05:23 PM
But the government could require such checks for bitcoin, since the cashier has to connect to the internet anyway in order to accept a bitcoin payment.  
They can't actually do that, since either they are unsuccessful (much likely) or nobody would bother use this coin anymore, since its purpose would have been defeated (so they weren't able to control it, only to destroy it).
The stated purpose of bitcoin was to provide a method of internet payment that was fast cheap easy safe etc.. Some people thought that it was also a safe way to hide illegal payments from governments, and loved it for that perceived quality.  Those people (and presumably most readers of this thread) are now realizing that it never was.

A tainted-bitcoins database would only kill that use of bitcoin for good.  Cashiers would surely comply and check that database if it was automatic, and/or if they could be penalized for failure to do so (if only by having their own coins listed, and hence made worthless). 
2076  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: August 02, 2014, 09:38:32 PM
Fungibility is broken in bitcoin, because of the perfect transparency. There is no "if the currency is legal there is nothing wrong with any coin", at least not in the near future. [ ... ] We don't experience these issues with fiat simply because the basic user has no way to know what is the history of a note, and has no reason to fear other might know it and take him as responsible, so the analogy with USD is worthless.
A very good point.  Even cash is not entirely fungible: if you accept money that you *know* comes from illegal activity, you can be considered accessory to that activity.

The government cannot require store cashiers to check some "tainted cash" database before accepting banknotes; that is why tainted cash does not keep its taint for long.  But the government could require such checks for bitcoin, since the cashier has to connect to the internet anyway in order to accept a bitcoin payment.  
2077  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: August 02, 2014, 08:13:12 AM
Would you stop bickering, and feed the unicorn?
And how exactly is he supposed to feed, what is by all accounts, a mythical creature - thinking good thoughts?
Er, good question, does a mythical creature eat mythical food, or does it eat real food, but only mythically?
2078  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: August 02, 2014, 03:49:30 AM
Would you stop bickering, and feed the unicorn?
2079  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 01, 2014, 08:53:58 PM
Another worrisome aspect of the blockchain statistics is that the "effective fee" for bitcoin payments is about 4% -- since the mining community earns 4000 BTC/day to process transactions whose estimated output volume (minus changeback) is 100'000 BTC/day.  Since mining is still a substantially free market, the actual cost must be not much below that value. 

Currently users do not pay that 4% fee, because it is paid by all the long-term holders of bitcoins, that lose 4000*365/12'000'000 = 12%/year of their value because of mining inflation.  (And, of course, that loss is more than offset by the price increase due to speculative demand.)  But since that fee will some day become a real transaction fee paid by users, it seems to be a bit too high for a service that is still often touted as "free" or "much cheaper than bank transfers".

But it gets worse if that 100'000 BTC/day blockchain traffic volume is indeed partly "fake" (transactions with no change in ownership).  In the final future when the mining costs will be paid by the users, the fake transactions will disappear and the cost will be borne by the real ones only.  But if 30% (say) of the volume now is fake, the "effective fee" now is not 4% but 4000/(0.70 x 100'000) = 5.7%.  If 50% of the volume is fake, the fee is 8%, and if 90% is fake, it is 40%.  So what is the "effective fee" now, and what will it be in that final future?

Putting on my triple-layer aerodynamic tinfoil hat, I would suspect that the blockchain traffic is being inflated with fake volume by The Powers That Wanna Be, in order to keep that calculation at 4% -- and thus preserve the illusion that bitcon can be a competitive payment method in that distant future.

2080  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 01, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
I'd like to see a marked increase in the daily number of transactions to confirm a new bull phase.  According to the Metcalfe model (using TXs per day), the value is still approximately $400.

This graphs tucks the last 8 months in a tiny corner, with the previous 4.5 years taking almost all the space.  If that tiny corner were magnified, the match would not be as impressive, I am afraid.

The "TX per day" parameter does not follow the price since late May, and both it and the "new addresses per day" deviate a lot from price from December to February.  I don't know how these discrepancies could be explained, but they cast doubt on the model.

As I noted before, transactions and addresses are still free, therefore those blockchain statistics could be mainly due to "fake" transactions -- coins moving between address belonging to the same person.   Note that the daily number of transactions has been nearly constant since February, and the estimated BTC volume is quite constant since  January -- with no echo of the huge fluctuations in price in that interval.  I take these facts as evidebce that only a small part of those transactions represents transfer of bitcoins between different owners.  Note also that a single user could generate all the present volume (100,000 BTC/day) by  moving 700 BTC divided among 400 addresses of  his own to 400 new addresses, every 10 minutes or so.
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