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121  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 04:14:35 PM
What I could really go for but sounds like a huge long shot is that Stamp decouples...from the Chinese exchanges.
How would that work? If Stamp shot off then the arbers would just buy coins on Houbi and dump them on Stamp...
Well then the Chinese would have to prove how many coins the fake volume represents.
They have been proving that since last October.  They are proving it right now...  Sad
what are they proving right now Jorge, that they have the coins.. or the volume is fake?
Please look at the charts and draw your own conclusions.
122  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 04:08:03 PM
What I could really go for but sounds like a huge long shot is that Stamp decouples...from the Chinese exchanges.
How would that work? If Stamp shot off then the arbers would just buy coins on Houbi and dump them on Stamp...
Well then the Chinese would have to prove how many coins the fake volume represents.
They have been proving that since last October.  They are proving it right now...  Sad
123  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 08:52:37 AM
On second thoughts, I understand from Huobi's 04-17 13:10 note that Huobi's TOPUP cards are not issued by Huobi, but by a separate "card company".  Also, I think that they are not recharged through a 3rd party payment processor (which may have been used before Apr/01), but by clients sending bank wire transfers to the card company's bank account.

Could anyone confirm this please?  Thanks..
124  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 07:07:40 AM
The answer is digital currency. It may not be BTC but it will be digital currency
I fully agree.
125  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 07:05:35 AM
When you first started to post , you were only skeptical  but you gave reasons.
A few weeks passed and you turned into a real "bear" seeing only destruction ahead.
Everything changed and at moments you even seem angry at every good news or development as if it was hurting you.
I did change my signature from "rather skeptical" to "very skeptical" and stated some of the reasons here, buried somewhere in the past 2000 pages or so.   I won't go through them again, it would only trigger the same nasty responses.

I don't like zealots nor the ones believing in the bitpocalypse.
If you care to know, for me the probability of bitcoin (THIS bitcoin) succeeding is positive but rather small; if it fails, I have no idea how long that ill take, and how the price will evolve until then.
126  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 06:51:55 AM
No need for the  FUD quotes.  We all know that you have turned from a so called analyst into a desperate cavebear facing  extinction.
I never was an "analyst", so-called or otherwise-called.  As for being a cave bear, my prediction for after Apr/15 (posted here on Mar/29) was  "3500--3700 CNY or  580--610 USD". 

But I already got it, anyone who does not believe in 1,000,000,000 USD/BTC by next week is a bear... Embarrassed
127  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 06:40:50 AM
What the f*** with these google translates. Explain what it means in laymans terms or don't post please.
Your guess is as good as mine, but I understand that they found a way to reactivate their TOPUP cards. These are an alternative way for clients to deposit CNY in their Huobi accounts, distinct from sending bank wire deposits to the Huobi corporate account.  I don't know exactly how those cards work, but it seems that they asre issued by Huobi and can be "recharged" through a 3rd party payment processor.  Huobi used to have that option, but they suspended it voluntarily on Apr/01 or tehreabouts.
128  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 06:33:30 AM
[FUD]
That Huobi note is a small positive development, but could be an attempt to push up morale and provide an emergency workaround before bad news that may come tomorrow Apr/18.  Like a sailor knocking at every passenger's cabin door and handing over a life jacket and a bottle of shark repellant "with compliments of the Capitan, just to improve your safety even more".  Grin
[/FUD]
129  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 06:20:00 AM
OKCoin seems to be inviting everybody to some open house party on April 19, to among other things, "Understand the overall situation and development trend of Bitcoin industry":
https://www.okcoin.com/t-1008403.html
Who/what is a/the "bitcoin goddess" (比特币女神)?  (Could THAT be the secret of their huge volume?  Cheesy)

EDIT: Well, the West has Bitcoin Jesus, so there is no reason to despair yet.  Cheesy
130  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 06:08:01 AM
The rally could be due to this notice just posted to Huobi:
Quote
关于火币网恢复点卡充值方式的通知
时间 :2014-04-17 13:10:09 来源: 火币网
尊敬的火币网用户:
    为了解决非工作时间充值到账较慢的问题,火币网经过和点卡代理商协商后,我们将于今日17:00恢复点卡充值服务,支持所有主流银行充值,7*24小时即时到账。欢迎各位币友体验。
    火币网运营部
    2014.04.17

Notice on Huobi.com TOPUP recovery mode
Time :2014-04-17 13:10:09 Source: Huobi.com
Dear Huobi.com network users:
     In order to solve the non-working hours recharge slower Daozhang problems after the Huobi and cards dealer network through negotiation, we will resume today 17:00 TOPUP services, supports all major banks recharge, 7 * 24 hours immediately to the account. Friends welcome you to experience the coins.
     Huobi.com Operations
     2014.04.17
(Google Translate, with "Fire currency/coin net" --> Huobi.com")
131  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 05:59:51 AM
Does anyone else get the feeling that these buys on Houbi are coordinated in some way?  They come at practically the same time everyday. They come with TOTAL disregard for getting the best price.   Its like the wait until the market falls to prearranged price - in this last case 3200 - and then they just buy it up to 3300+ in minutes with no regard for what they pay.
Indeed there have been "mini-rallies" at about about 01:30 pm local time on Apr/14, Apr/15, and today Apr/17.

It could be that someone with lots of money but not much experience finished his lunch quickly and used the rest of their lunch break to check the bitcoin price. Seeing that it was up from the previous day, he bought more, one chunk at a time, until the price went up to what he thought was too high..

It could also be bullish news or comments being posted daily at lunch time on some Chinese blog, which is read by only a few traders.
132  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 05:17:26 AM
You can stretch them again , use a different time period , change the colors , but no way you can get those too match.
I really don;t understand why people have this need of matching current events with previous ones in order to "see' the future.

Me neither...  Sad

By the way, what is (are) the prossible explanation(s) for the April 2013 rally?
133  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 05:08:16 AM
For whatever it is worth, here are price plots of the April 2013 and November 2013 "bubbles":


The plots were clipped from bitcoincharts.com and colorized with gimp to improve contratst.  The left one was stretched vertically 8% with gimp to get both on the same vertical log scale (~1208 pixels/decade).  The strokes show the high/low intervals in each 3-day period.

For a better comparison one should use the mean price, weighted with a smoothing kernel.  May do that.
134  Local / Economia & Mercado / Re: Alerta sobre investimento em bitcoin on: April 17, 2014, 03:15:17 AM
eu queria saber pq senhor usou esse termo 350% de inflação. Terrorismo? Colocou entre aspas sim mas acompanhe.
O ano começoou no seguinte bloco: https://blockchain.info/block-height/278000 [...]
Sabendo que por enquanto o btc vai sendo usado mais como fim e nao como meio, nao seria melhor ao inves de chamar de inflacao usar outro termo pra esse aumento no "valor"?
Fulano esté mentindo para Siclano sempre que mede as palavras com o objetivo de fazer Siclano acreditar em algo que Fulano sabe que não é verdade.  É possível mentir sem dizer nada, ou dizendo frases que são verdadeiras; se quem fala sabe que o outro vai entender errado, está mentindo.

Bitcoineiros usam a palavra "inflação" num sentido muito especial, "quantas bitcoins adicionais foram mineradas".

O que o público entende quando se fala em "inflação do real" etc, é "quantos reais a mais tenho que pagar para comprar a mesma coisa".  No caso a palavra "inflação" é abreviação de "inflação de preços".

Então, assim como a inflação do real desde janeiro foi 6,5% ao ano, a inflação do bitcoin foi 350% ao ano.  Isto é, se o valor do bitcoin continuar caindo no resto do ano como caiu de 01/Jan até hoje, em 31/Dez você vai precisar de 106,50 reais para comprar o que hoje custa 100 reais, e 450 bitcoins para comprar o que hoje custa 100 bitcoins.  (Um pouco menos se calcularmos hoje, porque a cotação USD/BTC subiu um pouco nestes dois dias.)

Em termos econômicos, a inflação mede aumento na disponibilidade de dinheiro relativamente a bens e serviços.  A impressão de mais notas pode ser uma causa da inflação, mas não é a única.   No caso do bitcoin, obviamente, a mineração contribui muito pouco para a inflação; a maior causa é que os Chineses estão perdendo interesse no bitcoin, então o monte de bitcoins que eles tinham estão ficando disponívels a preço menor.

Usar o sentido bitcoineiro de "inflação" quando se fala para o público em geral é enganação.  Quem fala sabe que eles vão entender errado.

Para se referir ao aumento de bitcoins mineradas, deve-se dizer "aumento de bitcoins mineradas" e não "inflação".

Tentar convencer algueḿ a investir em bitcoin dizendo que é um jeito de fugir da inflação, "porque bitcoin não tem inflação", é vigarice pura e simples.  Dizer que "inflação do bitcoin desde janeiro foi só 10.77% ao ano" (como provavelmente os "vendedores" vão fazer na Venezuela e Argentina), é só um pouquinho menos vigarice.  Nos dois casos, quem ouve fica com uma idéia muito errada da estabilidade do valor do bitcoin.
135  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 16, 2014, 11:25:54 PM
If I were a famous multi-billionaire, I would charge 1 million US$ to donate an "undisclosed sum" (actually 1 US$) to any interested startup.  Wink
136  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 16, 2014, 10:59:27 PM
Chinese Slumber Method prediction for Thursday April 17

Prediction valid for: Thursday 2014-04-17, 19:00--19:59 UTC (not before, not after)
Huobi's predicted price: 3198 CNY
Bitstamp's predicted price: 513 USD





Plot legend

Today's data point was very good, (S = 0.0005, W = 0.995); Huobi's clients slept soundly after a hectic day.  The last three points are far from being aligned, so fitting a straight line to all three them seems unjustified, and using only the last two seems too risky.  Instead we assumed a shifted decaying exponential A + B*Q**(d-d0), where d-d0 is the number of days since Apr/14, A = 3202.5, B = -283.56, and Q = 0.24883 (which is almost, but not quite, the same as repeating the last value).

The Bitstamp prediction, as usual, is the Huobi prediction divided by the currency conversion factor R, which was assumed to be 6.23 CNY/USD. It was 6.23, 6.32, 6.38, 6.21 at the last four Slumber Times.
 
Checking the previous prediction

Prediction was posted on: Tuesday 2014-04-15, 22:41 UTC
Prediction was valid for: Wednesday 2014-04-16, 19:00--19:59 UTC (~20 hours later)

Punished for being bull:

Huobi's predicted price: 3345 CNY
Huobi's actual price (L+H)/2: 3185 CNY
Error: 160 CNY (~26 USD)

Bitstamp's predicted price: 529 USD
Bitstamp's actual price (L+H)/2: 511 USD
Error: 18 USD
 
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137  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 16, 2014, 10:03:51 PM
hey Jorge, there just was a 600BTC buy on Bitstamp while Huobi did nothing  Kiss

That jump is part of an 'exponential' rise that began 20 min ago and is going on in both exchanges.

As usual, it is hard to tell who started it; but since Huobi is still sleeping (almost 6:00 am there), it may be that the risen is driven by Bitstamp, and arbitragers are copying the price over to Huobi with no resistance.   The lump buy may have been by an arbitrager, or not.

Let's see what happens when the Chinese wake up, in an hour or two.
138  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 16, 2014, 09:03:37 PM
I read somewhere that there was a guy sitting next to a bitcoin ATM (in North America, IIRC), offering better deals than the ATM.
Yes it was here in Vancouver, the owner chose to hire a musician paid minimum wage to tell the ATM poachers to piss off, the coffee shop owner permitted it because he got live music.
I see a great business opportunity for people who own bitcoins AND play the guitar.  Cheesy
139  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 16, 2014, 08:56:58 PM

By the way, The former owner of MercadoBitcoin, the company that set up that ATM, was also the creator of BitcoinRain, a Brazilian ponzi that collapsed after allegedly taking some 12,000 bitcoins from investors.  According to the then-owner, a hacker invaded MercadoBitcoin and stole all the BitcoinRain funds --- by COINcidence, just after they received a major withdrawal request.   That person later sold MercadoBitcoin to other people, who naturally do not see themselves responsible for the losses of BitcoinRain's clients.
140  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 16, 2014, 08:39:35 PM
So Jorge can now run people through the risk of bitcoin before they purchase, he'll be like a warning disclaimer.
I read somewhere that there was a guy sitting next to a bitcoin ATM (in North America, IIRC), offering better deals than the ATM.
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