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401  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 10:43:08 PM
Except you have to check all the factual claims.  Lots of erroneous stuff there.
But he does us all a service by teaching us a lesson in fact checking.
Lesson...delivered!
Well, thanks, I guess...  Smiley  Corrections are welcome, I am trying to keep this post updated: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg6039395#msg6039395
402  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 08:59:20 PM
WTF?Huh This is NOT really news, is it?  What is the change, exactly that supposedly took place since we found out about this in December 2013, no?
Well, it seems that most of the Chinese exchanges were still using bank transfers to/from corporate accounts and some form of payment through 3rd party processors (prepaid cards?) for CNY deposits and withdrawals.  Even BTC-China, which avoided banks after the December decrees, eventually started doing the same.

One by one, the exchanges are reporting now that those channels are being closed; most are suspending CNY deposits, one (BTC38) suspended also CNY withdrawals it seems, another (FXBTC) said it will stop CNY withdrawals next Sunday.

It is not clear exactly which of the two methods are closed in each case (I do not know exactly how the "cards" they use work).  However, on the whole it seems that deposits through both channels are being blocked already, it is just a matter of days; and withdrawals very probably will be blocked too soon afterwards.

The Cryptocoins News article dis not mention BTCTrade; that was one more for the list.
403  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 08:44:26 PM
Coinbase bid/ask spread is lower than NASDAQ bid/ask spread:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/45677473 (@45:00)
For Professor Bitcorn fans, he's back and bashing Bitcoin at the beginning of this video. He's sitting right beside rep from Coinbase and telling SBA that Coinbase is taking too much risk. It seems Jorge would LOVE this guy!
Thanks! But the distinguished colleague is too soft...  Wink

As for the other distingushed colleague near the end, I agree that Bitcoin is a terrific investiment if you have a time machine.  Unfortunately most traders don't, that is why they are generally unimpressed by how much the price of something increased since Gilgamesh was king in Uruk.   Smiley
404  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 07:29:49 PM
(Apologies if this has been posted already.)
From the BTCTrade site,
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尊敬的用户:今天接到第三方支付渠道通知,将于近期暂停网上直接充值的功能,充值将继续采用银行转账方式,日常交易及提现不受影响,敬请谅解!针对近期415事件,比特币交易网(btctrade.com)暂未接到任何通知,近期行情波动幅度较大,请各位投资者谨慎投资。
Google Translate:
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Dear user: third-party payment channels received notification today, will soon be suspended directly online recharge feature, recharge will continue to use bank transfers, daily transactions and withdrawals are not affected, please understand! 415 for the recent events, Bitcoin transaction network (btctrade.com) yet received any notice, the recent market volatility is large, please investors cautious investment.
405  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 07:17:04 PM
Summary of bank transfer status from this CryptocoinsNews article

Bter:      deposits halted, withdrawals still possible.
OKCoin:    deposits and withdrawals still possible. [was here @ 22:48]
FXBTC:     bank deposits halted, bank withdrawals will be halted Sunday.
BTC38:     both deposits and withdawals suspended.
BTC-China: only 3rd party transfers suspended, not notified by banks yet. [was here @ 2014-04-02 19:31]
Huobi:     ??
ChBTC:     ??
BTCTrade:  bank deposits and withdrawals still OK? (3rd party processors halted). [was here @ 2014-04-02 20:10]
BTC100:    ??
(others?)


EDIT: BTCTrade,  BTCChina updated; OKCoin fixed per reddit post.
406  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 06:26:25 PM
Apparently the PBoC note did not define a fim date for blocking deposits to the exchange acconts, so each bank is taking its own time to communicate the decision to the exchanges.  (Earlier I posted a quote from a Chinese article, someone "close to the source" saying that halting the bank transfers is more complicated than halting deposits through payment processors.)
407  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 06:20:39 PM
Who knows what the price was before China's involvement? If you do then you know the low for now.

Well, here is a "pessimistic but bullish" possibility, sort of a worst-case scenario:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg5939081#msg5939081
408  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
Did some "official" news about PBOC or something ? Or it's "only" current rumours dumping some more coins after the prices went to the 490s ?
The FXBTC notice was just posted here.  Also BTC38 posted something similar (hard to tell, Google Translate was quite garbled).  No news yet from OKCoin and Huobi, but it looks certain now.

The tail hated being wagged about, cursed the dog and wished its death.  The wish may be about to be granted now.
409  Economy / Securities / Re: Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread) on: April 02, 2014, 11:51:57 AM
you can only speculate... considering that already some companies were interested in buying the franchise rights to take it to an international level, and the level of interest generated during it's opening, I think there will be some takers. [ ... ] He will take any offer at this time so it is bound to sell to at least SOMEONE. What they will do with it thought is another matter.
Sigh, we have been through this already with MtGOX.

Anyone who buys them will have to assume their debts.  If they are insolvent -- owing more than they can expect to earn in some reasonable term -- their net value is negative.  No sane person would want to buy something that is expected to give a net loss.  Any software they may have is more easily redone than reused.

They seemed to be quite naive about banking and their prospective marketplace.  With the price swings of the last four months, a bitcoin-based bank currently sounds as sensible as liver-flavored ice-cream.

What I saw of their early marketing must have been incomprehensible to the average Cypriot; it sounded as if its primary goal was to attract investors among bitcoin believers in the English-speaking world (including using the bitcoiner slang "fiat" for "ordinary money", without explanation)

Ditto for their recent reply to the Cyprus Central Bank warnings (which were just the standard factual and sensible warnings that all central banks have been issuing about cryptocoin investment).  It insinuated that bankers were the biggest criminals in the world -- hardly the best way to convince the Central Bank to let their bank to operate...  Sad

 
410  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 11:28:52 AM
"closed" in this context means no more investors will be accepted.
Thanks! By the way, when did OKCoin and Huobi start operating? In bitcoinwisdom's charts, Huobi starts 01/Sep/2013, OKCoin on 12/Jun/2013 --- is that it?
411  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 10:50:12 AM
Perhaps.  But I understood that the investment deal had been decided back in December? What does "closed" means?
412  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 10:37:09 AM
When the rally started it was about 4:00 pm in China, and it jumped just before 5:00 pm.  Perhaps out of relief that bank hours were nearly over (they close at 5:00 pm it seems), and there were no bad news today?
413  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 10:12:07 AM
Here's the link to Danny's statement

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.160;topicseen

its at the bottom of the page.
Technical issue, the money is there. Old news anyway, nothing to see...
The "technical issue" seems to be that they already spent all the investment money they had, lost a bunch of bitcoins on a couple of scams/crashes, made a lot of debts, have yet to get any revenue (or prospects thereof), their shares started to crash on that "stock market" where they were traded, and trading has been halted.

There is indeed a technical name for that...  Tongue
414  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 06:15:27 AM
How do you calculate that Second Market is eating up HALF of the coins everyday.?
There is a thread that does just that, with the original post being updated daily:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337486.0
By that page, they now own ~96,000 BTC, and bought ~23,000 since Jan/30
(~400 BTC/day on average).
415  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 06:10:07 AM
Haven't we done news already?
Bitcoin in China is now like Schroedinger's cat: neither dead nor alive, until PBoC opens the box.
416  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 05:42:13 AM
Huobi's volume today, 08:00 to 12:00 local time, was only 1.23 kBTC.  It has been usually 10 times as much in recent days (except on Sunday Mar/23 when they had the DDOS attack), sometimes 50x as much. 

Evereybody is waiting for news?
417  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Would miners ever want to generate "fake" transaction volume? on: April 02, 2014, 04:59:09 AM
As long as the block subsidy still exists, they will simply mine empty blocks and receive the block subsidy as a reward.
Eventually, bitcoin will need a continuous flow of fee paying transactions to provide the necessary incentive for miners to participate.  [ ... ]

Thanks!
418  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Would miners ever want to generate "fake" transaction volume? on: April 02, 2014, 04:43:15 AM
Maybe might make a news story about transaction volume going up and the price might rise a little but that's about it.
Normally I suppose that would be the case.  But imagine the extreme hypothetical case where transactions drop to zero (say, because all bitcoin owners decide to hold their coins, or all transactions happen in internal ledgers of "bitcoin banks" without actual blockchain transactions).  Would the miners "starve"? Or would they keep mining empty blocks?
419  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Would miners ever want to generate "fake" transaction volume? on: April 02, 2014, 03:41:22 AM
(Apologies if this is a stupid question)

Could it be advantageous, in some circumstances, for the miners to collectively generate "bogus" transaction volume?

By that I mean a large number of perfectly valid transactions that merely shuffle coins between two or more addresses owned by the same miner.

Presumably there is no advantage for a single miner to do this, but what about an hypothetical mining cartel that accounted for a sizable percentage of all the mining activity?
420  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 02:35:32 AM
This looks like a small bit of new news:

https://news.powerapple.com/finance_and_tech/2014/4/2/1561923.html
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接近监管机构的人士指出,第三方对平台是整体接入的,关起来很容易。银行那边必须得清查各个平台和公司的相互往来,耗时更长。这次的执行主体是央行31家省级分行,谁辖区内的平台谁清理,各省的执行速度因各省的平台多少而异,所以执行有快有慢,但也将于4月15日前完成。

某交易平台人士表示,银行转账功能很难禁止,因为平台可以以个人或另外注册的公司名义转账。但这样只会让账目地上转地下,更加难以监管,同时投资者的资金安全更加难以得到保障。

“289号文已经承认,比特币是一种特定的虚拟商品,那么买卖合法商品理应得到银行服务。”某交易平台人士认为。

Google translate:
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People close to the regulator pointed out that third-party access to the platform as a whole, shut up very easily. Banks there have to check with each other between the various platforms and companies, take longer. The executive body is the central bank 31 provincial branches, who are within the jurisdiction of the platform who clean up, speed of execution because of the number of provinces platform provinces varies, so the implementation of fast or slow, but it will be completed by April 15.

A platform party transactions, said bank transfer function is difficult to ban, because the platform can be an individual or another company registered transfers. But this will only make the accounts on the ground to underground, more difficult to monitor, while financial security is more difficult to get investors' protection .

" Man has admitted 289 , Bitcoin is a specific virtual goods , then traded commodities deserve legitimate banking services ." Considered a party transaction platform .

At least it seems to provide an explanation for the delay, in case the bank blockade part of the rumor is true: it is complicated for banks to implement.

EDIT: This was found by Googling "04月02日" "比特币"  ("April 02" "Bitcoin")
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