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421  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 01:42:13 AM
May be of interest:

Business Insider, April 01, 2014
A Judge Has Ordered The CEO Of Bankrupt Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox To Appear In The US
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-judge-orders-mt-gox-ceo-to-us-for-questions-on-failed-bitcoin-exchange-2014-01
422  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 02, 2014, 01:12:50 AM
Chinese Slumber Method prediction for Wednesday April 2

April Fools day is not over yet, so making again a fool of myself:

Prediction valid for: Wednesday 2014-04-02, 19:00--19:59 UTC (not before, not after)
Huobi's predicted price: 2963 CNY.
Bitstamp's predicted price: 490 USD.


Plot legend

Huobi's clients did not have an easy night, and this last Slumber Point was somewhat weak (S = 0.0091, W = 0.192).  Still, the Method says to use the straight trend line defined by the last two Slumber points: A + B*(d-d0) where d-d0 is the number of days since Mar/31 , A = 2759, B = 102.

The Bitstamp prediction, as usual, is the Huobi prediction divided by the currency conversion factor R, which was assumed to be 6.05 CNY/USD (it was 5.96, 6.06, 6.02, 6.08 at the last four Slumber Times, skipping the bad Mar/30 point).

Checking the previous prediction

Prediction was posted on: Tuesday 2014-04-01, 04:02 UTC
Prediction was valid for: Tuesday 2014-04-01, 19:00--19:59 UTC (~15 hours later)

Huobi's predicted price: 2759 CNY.
Huobi's actual price (L+H)/2: 2861 CNY
Error: 102 CNY (~17 USD)

Bitstamp's predicted price: 455 USD.
Bitstamp's actual price (L+H)/2: 480 USD
Error: 25 USD

EDIT: the prediction was posted at 04:02, not 01:00.

NOTE: If a circular is sent to the banks by PBoC, but no reporter is there to see it, does it make a crashing sound?
423  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 09:18:49 PM
Trying to summarize the situation again:

* A Caixin reporter claimed last week that he saw a PBoC document, to be sent to banks and third-party payment processors, prohibiting them to pass CNY deposits to the exchanges immediately (through corporate or personal accounts), and setting a deadline of april 15 for them to stop processing withdrawals too.

* The Chinese exchange Bter warned their clients that their payment processor stopped all deposits to them. So that part of the Caixin claim, at least, was true.

*  As for the bank part of the Caixin claim, so far there is only ONE source for that claim. namely that Caixin reporter. 

* Bter did not use banks, and other exchanges have not reported any blocking  of deposits yet.

* On the other hand, the PBoC has not denied that claim yet, five days after it was leaked.

* The exchange CEOs commented the matter at first, but have been silent since then.

I do not know what to think, and apparently the Market is confused too.

If the bank blockade order is real, perhaps the exchange CEOs are lobbying the PBoC to reverse or soften it --- hence their silence?

I recall reading somewhere that workers in China get paid at the end of the month; is that so?  Perhaps the exchanges' corporate bank accounts were kept open until now so that they can pay their staff?

Another (very unlikely) possibility is that the banks understood the order to mean that they can accept the client deposits into the exchanges' accounts, but cannot allow the exchanges to withdraw money from those accounts? (In that case the exchanges could still function normally, by leaving all the deposited money in that account and executing client CNY withdrawls from it, until April 15; except that they could not collect  the deposit/withdrawal fees.)

What is the mechanics of depositing CNY on the Chinese exchanges through the banks?   Would the exchanges notice immediately if the deposits are blocked?  If the exchanges have other sources of revenue, or investor funds in the bank, would they be blocked too? How would the banks know which money is which?

 Huh
424  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
Idk, there's a few points that are dubious and its a little evangelical but being able to buy coins in any store... where do I sign? I think that could be a problem though, services are trying to play nice with AML regs but it looks like this disregards them
Perhaps there will be rather strict limits on the amount of $ one can convert this way? Limits on the contents of a card and/or amount available in a store?

One interesting thing is that one would be able to pay by handing over the card, rather than transferring the bitcoins.  We could call this new payment method "carry and swap handling", or CASH for short.   Grin

(EDIT: typos)
425  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 03:56:37 PM
Wait 15. april 2014 and check it.  Grin
I mean, the article just rehashes the same news we have seen up to yesterday, right?  Namely, with no confirmation but no denial yet of the bank account closure rumor.
426  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 03:52:20 PM

Anyway the WSJ article has no real news, has it?

EDIT: removed unrelated quote
427  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 03:50:17 PM
Australia is in the future.  Tongue
Indeed, in parts of Australia it is April 2nd already.
428  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 03:01:54 PM
Lol, there was a little dip just after my sarcasm about bitstamp needing authorisation from god for transfers yesterday, doubt it had anything to do with the dip but it got me wondering Smiley Can't see how it could be possible to take the coindesk article seriously but translators come up with some really weird stuff sometimes and humour between cultures can be very confusing.
Yes, it is far-fetched, but I wonder what Google Translate (or its Chinese equivalent) would do to that article.  Cheesy
429  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 02:52:33 PM
You must be careful with jokes on international forums, the humor is often lost in translation.  The Chinese, for example, seem to have taken that Coindesk article seriously.
430  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 09:34:33 AM
Do people really believe that by analyzing the past prices one can tell whether the PBoC rumor is true or false?
431  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 09:29:24 AM
Idle exercise:

The Market now assigns some probability P to the bank blockade rumor being true.

If the rumor is false, the price should go up again to the pre-rumor level, ~580 USD (Bitstamp).

If the rumor is true, the price should go down to some value X, less than 480.

The current price should be the Market's expected price in the near future (even if the Market is not conscious of these computations, and plays it "by ear"). That is,

  P*X + (1-P)*580 = 480    <==>
  P*(580 - X) = 580-480 = 100   <==>
  P = 100/(580-X)   <==>

Since X < 480, we have P < 100/(580 - 480) = 1, not informative.

Since X > 0, we have P > 100/580 = 0.17.

Therefore the Market thinks that there is at least 17% probability that the bank block is true.
432  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 08:01:38 AM
I suppose that, as the more pessimistic Chinese sell all  their coins, the arbitrage traders have to buy from the slightly less pessimistic ones, so the price gradually goes up.
Wouldnt it work better other way around?  Tongue
What do you mean?  Arbitrage traders buy where it is cheaper (e.g. at Huobi, right now) and sell where it is more expensive (e.g. Bitstamp).
433  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 07:55:08 AM
Well, are there any news in china I'm not aware of? Or is it just someone pumping? Damn, it sucks to not know any chinese  Sad
No news apparently.   I suppose that, as the more pessimistic Chinese sell all  their coins, the arbitrage traders have to buy from the slightly less pessimistic ones, so the price gradually goes up.
434  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 07:33:44 AM
This Chinese thread seems to say that bank deposit (?) at OKCoin was still working today (Apr/01) around 09:00 local time.

Thought it was clarified via bter that they were closing third party partners not a blanket ban.
I understood their clarification as: "we used a payment processor, that suspeded its service; we do not use bank accounts, so we have no information about that part of the rumor."
435  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 04:48:54 AM
This Chinese thread seems to say that bank deposit (?) at OKCoin was still working today (Apr/01) around 09:00 local time.
436  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 04:01:07 AM
Chinese Slumber Method prediction for Tuesday April 1

Just to make a fool of myself:

Prediction valid for: Tuuesday 2014-04-01, 19:00--19:59 UTC (not before, not after)
Huobi's predicted price: 2759 CNY.
Bitstamp's predicted price: 455 USD.


Plot legend

The last Slumber Point was quite good (S = 0.0018, W = 0.936) but the previous one was very bad (S = 0.0140, W = 0.020).  Therefore the only reasonable trendline is the constant function, namely "the next Slumber Price will be the same as the last one".

The Bitstamp prediction, as usual, is the Huobi prediction divided by the currency conversion factor R, which was assumed to be 6.10 CNY/USD (it was 6.06, 6.02, 6.08 at the last three Slumber Times, skipping the Mar/30 one).

NOTE: Today is April Fools day.  Every day is Greater Fools day.
437  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 01:33:48 AM
By the way, I found this in a Chinese CERT meeting report:

Quote
我国政府网站频繁遭受黑客组织攻击,其中“匿名者”等黑客组织至少入侵我国境内超过600个网站。继央行明确不认可比特币后,央行官方网站和新浪(60.41, 1.46, 2.48%)官方微博遭受黑客攻击。

Google Translate: "Our government website frequently suffered hacker attacks organization , which " Anonymous " hacker group , such as the invasion of our country at least more than 600 sites. Following the central bank clearly does not endorse Bitcoin, the central bank official website and Sina ( 60.41 , 1.46 , 2.48% ) official micro-blog being hacked ."
EDIT: the URL is  http://tech.sina.com.cn/other/2014-03-31/18499286829.shtml
438  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 01, 2014, 01:31:57 AM
Apparently the Caixin report has not been confirmed or denied yet with respect to bank accounts. 

On one hand, AFAIK there have been so far no reports of blocking of CNY deposits via the exchanges' bank accounts.  So it is still possible that the Caixin report was wrong on this point.

On the other hand, Bter was told by a payment processor that it was suspending payments by order higher orders.  So the Caixin report was at least partly true.

From the price changes, it seems that the market was a little more pessimistic today (Monday), but the uncertainty pretty much remains the same as yesterday's.

Again, if the bank blockade rumor is denied tomorrow, is seems likely that the price will rebound to near Wednesday's levels.  (There may be even a temporary spike to higher levels, if the Chinese rush to buy back before the arbitrage traders can move back to China all the coins that they took out.)

If the blockade is confirmed, the price can only drop:  a little or a lot, I would not dare to guess.
439  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 31, 2014, 09:13:33 PM
It is 5am in China, why are those guys dumping NOW?

Actually, who knows where it started, the drop is also at Bitstamp, Bitfinex, OKCoin, BTC-China... Arbitrage traders are darn fast it seems...

440  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 31, 2014, 06:29:02 PM
Yeah, but what is the profile of the average BTC chinese investor?

This December 2013 artice gives some hints about that question (as of that time):
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2013/1206/Why-the-Chinese-can-t-get-enough-of-Bitcoin-despite-bank-ban
At least, it cites someone in China who did some research for some Chinese consultancy firm...
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