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461  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 02:50:16 PM
That article does not seem to have any new information, just a re-re-re-hash of the same news, ultimately from the Caixin article.

The OKCoin CEO's statement, IIRC, was made just after the rumor surfaced.  The comment by the Huobi person seems  to have been garbled ("transaction records would go underground"?), the reporter may not know how an exchange works.

I think that the situation is still undefined...
462  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 02:20:08 PM
am still skeptical...
Care to summarise?
I would rather wait a few days if you don't mind.  Wink  But I have posted my reasons before; I see nothing wrong with the protocol itself, it is all about my understanding of how the world works, what is possible to do in it, and how a bitcoin economy could (or could not) work.
463  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 01:33:36 PM
I'm a bit mystified why he's devoting a not inconsiderable amount of time to this thread though. Sure, its a good place for banter but there's a lot of crap to wade through to find anything suitable for an academic interest in bitcoin speculation.
I have tried posting on other threads, but traffic there is measured in posts per week...

I was not exaggerating when I said that I learned A LOT reading this thread.  All sorts of information gets posted here, which I would not even dream of looking for otherwise.  Three months ago I did not know what an order book was, and arbitrage for me was something that happens at soccer matches. Here I have learned about the geometric brownian model, technical analysis and its controversy, and much more... THANK YOU ALL, really.

Maybe he's getting hooked, just one little wafer thin bitcoin sir? Wink
Sorry, i wish cryptocoins succeed in some way, but am still skeptical...
464  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Watch the Coin Summit with Bobby Lee where he describes the fakery on Chinese exchanges.
Do you have a link to that video? Thanks...
465  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 12:07:29 PM
There should be no confirmation or denial of the PBoC rumor until banks and the PBoC get back to work, which is 14 hours from now at least.  After that, if the rumor is denied, presumably the price will return to the pre-rumor range, perhaps a bit lower.  I it is confirmed, price can only go down; a little or a lot, I cannot guess.
466  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 11:47:00 AM
Indeed, I hope we can just stop here.

You hope? If not, are you ready to initiate physical violence against someones person? This is unclear to me.
Sorry, I am sleeping now. Please ask again when I wake up.

Meanwhile, make sure that your bitcoins are safely stored.

(Not that I have any intention or means to steal them, but if someone does, I do not want people to think it was me.   The lesson is not at all like that. And it is good friendly advice for anyone, anytime.)

(Perhaps it could even become a bitcoiners' salute, "Live long and your bitcoins be safe" or something.)
467  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 05:30:19 AM
Jorge seems like a good guy.  I think the only thing that is frustrating to some of us is why he doesn't want to "join the fun" so to speak and just pick up a coin or two. Wink  [... ] That said, I honestly wish he would buy a coin.  I wish everyone I know would.  Not for selfish reasons, but out of a sincere and altruistic desire for them to have something invested in one of the greatest opportunities that may come up in our lifetime.   
Thanks, I appreciate that.  Smiley

As for getting a coin, I would rather not invest in bitcoin, but will use it for payments if I find it is better than the alternatives.  Would that do?
468  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 04:58:26 AM
We do want you here Jorge - well I certainly do.  But sometimes you make it damn hard to take you seriously.  Cool
Wow, thank you very much for that.  Smiley  And don't worry about taking me seriously; I am ony serious when I joke.  Cheesy
469  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 04:19:42 AM
I really don't think I'm guilty of conducting a concerted effort to direct any vitriol towards him.
Indeed, I hope we can just stop here.
470  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 04:14:44 AM
[ ... ]
It is not a "threat in an argument"; it has nothing to do with bitcoin, it is about attacking my person instead of my posts.

Why would I try to hide the fact that I delivered an apt and well deserved lesson to someone?
471  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 02:54:29 AM
If he gets more than three accusations of being a paid shill every 24hrs the NSA/Facebook/JP Morgan/Pepsi/Nascar/Lego reduce his day rate.
Cheesy
472  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 02:53:09 AM
why is Jorge so mad?
I am not mad, just annoyed at being the topic of half the posts here.
473  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 02:45:24 AM
Warned of what? I'm not following.
That insistence on discussing  Jorge Stolfi instead of his posts may necessitate a lesson that will not be forgotten.
474  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 02:42:55 AM
He is going to break Bitcoin encryption people, run, run away  Grin
No, if I have to do it, it will not be destructive, and will be carefully targeted.
475  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 02:40:36 AM
Are you actually threatening people now?  I guess something must have touched a nerve. Sad
You all have been warned long ago. 
476  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 01:54:10 AM
Could you please go beserk, you have been talking about this possibility for quite some time. Wink
Beserk? No, the lesson will be delivered calmly, with just a few keystrokes.  But it is not a decision to be taken lightly.
477  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 01:41:59 AM
Nah, I think you guys are going over the line. He is not paid nor he will be awarded for his posts from anyone, there's nobody who would pay him to do it, tbh.
He is just intellectual troll who find this as some kind of perverse challenge for himself, he's probably licking his lips now how he is doing us here.
I've never seen anyone spending so much time on the subject he thinks it's a failure though, sad state of mind really.

If so, he does it in a very unreasonable way, unprofessional, not in a way expected from a guy supposedly educated in the scientific method and discussion with peers. [... ] This way of working is exactly what is to be expected from a paid shill, a false grassroot which is called astroturfing [ ... ] or you are ignorant, nonlogical, without common sense. It is also possible. Locked into a tunnel view, due to defect working of your left or right brain, broken, stupid, willfully ignorant, afraid, traumatized in your childhood. Something.

Now, you and the other guys who keep writing this sort of stuff, do you do it because

  (A) you are frustrated with bitcoin price or something else, and need to vent your frustration on someone; or
  (B) you really meant to write that sort of stuff; or
  (C) you don't believe I can teach you a lesson you won't forget, and are calling my bluff?

If (A), fine, I am glad to be of service.

If (C), know that a man who knows his strength does not use it just to prove he has it.


478  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 01:34:52 AM
I just wonder why you spend what seems to be HOURS every day here doing what you do.

Your potential story in the year 2020:

"I spent a total of 6 months of my life on a bitcoin forum, not because I owned any, but to tell people I didn't know that it wouldn't work for reasons I would cycle around, that people would point to the well established debunkings of."
Actually I am learning A LOT here (thank you to all who taught me). I even learned how to spell bitcoin in Chinese.

Please note that I do not start speeches against bitcoin here.  As I have written many times, I don't care if people invest or trade in bitcoin knowing well what they are doing.  I do speak out against those who try to "sell" bitcoin as good investment to the unwary,  because I believe that ist is a terrible one.  I have no respect for those who try to sell it as a hedge against inflation, a way to evade taxes and buy drugs safely, and other false things that "salesmen" still say -- when in fact they want the guy to invest (and hold at any cost) only to get the price up so that they can make a profit at his expense.

But I know that this is not the place for such speeches.

However, when people write things that I believe are wrong, why should I keep quiet?  I write my opinion, if it bothers you, there is the ostrich ignore button right there.
479  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 01:33:03 AM
there can be an infinte number of cryptocoins, any brand of them is just as good for commerce as any other, and there is no reason to believe that bitcoin will be among the ones that will succeed if they do succeed.

This has been refuted again and again. People want a secure, noninflating coin. Not evapourcoin. Not resourcecoin. They dont want coins for dogs or dope or sex. One coin. Not countrycoin, not citycoin. One international coin. They don't want a coin with more frequent blocks. Not premine. Not centralized. They want one coin.
Then why are the altcoins still thriving? Those who buy and use them are not people?

Those kinds of coins could be competitors. Maybe one other, maybe two.  [ ... ] Most probably, altcoins could ever only reach a small part of the total value.
And it is me the one who states mere opinions, without any arguments?

You can have your opinion about the likelihood of bitcoin surviving, but the fact are that there is no justification now to claim that they will die, and bitcoin will not.  The "first players advantage" and "network effect", if they were real, should have prevented the altcoins from starting. That they started and are thriving is proof that those advantages are not that significant.

On the other hand, some altcoins appear to have characteristics that bitcoin does not have; who can tell whether they won't be decisive?

(I hope no one will claim that "bitcoin is now too big to fail".  Wink)
480  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 12:40:33 AM
Chinese Slumber Method prediction for Sunday March 30

Prediction valid for: Sunday 2014-03-30, 19:00--19:59 UTC (not before, not after)
Huobi's predicted price: 2987 CNY.
Bitstamp's predicted price: 493 USD.


Plot legend

Today's Slumber Point was fairly good (S = 0.0045, W = 0.668) and the two previous one are not too bad.  These three points are obviously not in a straight line. The best fit seems to be a decaying shifted exponential, namely A + B*Q**(d-d0), where d is the day of the month, d0 = 27, and Q is sufficiently small. Choosing Q = 0.100 gives A = 2987.36 and B = 136.38 by least squares.

The Bitstamp prediction, as usual, is the Huobi prediction divided by the currency conversion factor R, which was assumed to be 6.06 CNY/USD (it was 6.02, 6.08, 6.03, 6.12 at the last four Slumber Times).

Checking the previous prediction

Prediction was posted on: Friday 2014-03-28, 22:30 UTC
Prediction was valid for: Satuday 2014-03-29, 19:00--19:59 UTC (~21 hours later)

Huobi's predicted price: 2858 CNY.
Huobi's actual price (L+H)/2: 2998 CNY
Error: 140 CNY (~23 USD)

Bitstamp's predicted price: 470 USD.
Bitstamp's actual price (L+H)/2: 498 USD
Error: 28 USD

NOTE: Why did the chicken cross the trend line?
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