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61  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: January 13, 2015, 06:49:03 PM
Which do you find easier, asking questions or answering them?
Would answering that question with a question indicate a preference for answering questions or for asking questions?
Why not both?
Why your nickname remind me of something ?
Do you like boobs too?
Lolwut ? it wasnt an owl ?
Will we find the bitstamp hackers?
Yeah, but dont know when.
Why should we find them at all?
Because it was collectibles ?
Speaking of collectibles, would you care to know that rock star Slash, coming for a tournée down these parts, gave reporters a list of questions that they should not ask, such as 'What shampoo do you use?'?
Did you just said that you don't wanna smell like Slash??
Do you want to taste like him too?
62  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitcoinWisdom.com - Live Bitcoin/LiteCoin Charts on: January 13, 2015, 06:41:36 PM
you can't go back more than 900 periods at your chosen (lessor) interval.

Indeed, 900 intervals is often too small when one wants to see what exactly happened at certain past events.

On the 1 day charts, in particular, one cannot get the whole history of MtGOX (it started 2010-07, according to the 1w chart, but the 1d chart cannot be scrolled back before 2012-07).  In trend analyses, 1d intervals are almost standard.

Would it be possible to increase that limit just for the 1d chart, so that the whole history of MtGOX can be examined?
63  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: January 13, 2015, 06:28:31 PM
Which do you find easier, asking questions or answering them?
Would answering that question with a question indicate a preference for answering questions or for asking questions?
Why not both?
Why your nickname remind me of something ?
Do you like boobs too?
Lolwut ? it wasnt an owl ?
Will we find the bitstamp hackers?
Yeah, but dont know when.
Why should we find them at all?
Because it was collectibles ?
Speaking of collectibles, would you care to know that rock star Slash, coming for a tournée down these parts, gave reporters a list of questions that they should not ask, such as 'What shampoo do you use?'?
64  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2015, 04:32:44 PM
This is getting hilarious  Cheesy
I'm using Electrum 2.0 with Trezor. What exactly is the problem now?

Standard Electrum re;lease, or did you have to compile a nonstandard version of he source yourself?
65  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2015, 03:59:48 PM
Welcome Newbies, for an education on trolling, have a look at @JorgeStolfi and @NotLampchop(aka silverspoon) their post history.  If you prefer dull never ending lines of text, go for Jorge's posts.  If you prefer the "Picture Edition", go for NotLambchop's posts.

An if you would rather read posts with no useful information or entertainment value, half of them just devoted to insulting those two giys, you have a large crowd to choose from, like @fonsie, @marcus_of_augustus, …

But I can post pictures too.  Apologies if this repost will seem sadistic or offensive, but perhaps it will contribute a little to public financial health:



(If the image shows truncated here, curse @theymos's mother and click on it to get a whole version.)
66  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2015, 02:32:48 PM
If the stock markets were unregulated like this, it would destroy our civilization.

Good stocks pay dividends and have backing assets, which define their base price as long-term investments; so they leave relatively little room for speculation.  On the other hand, gold, silver, and bitcoin are purely speculative.  Their prices depend only on people's guesses about their future prices, so they are inherently volatile.
67  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Calling the Bottom on: January 13, 2015, 01:55:03 PM
What possible reason will there be for no more speculation or hoarding in a currency that is designed specifically for that?

The white paper does not mention that, does it?  The declared purpose of bitcoin was to be a currency for e-payments, not a get-rich-by-sittng-on-it instrument.  Given that goal, making the supply fixed probably was a mistake, as economists keep saying (after all, "Satoshi" was a computer scientist, not an economist.)

Besides perhaps the mistaken notion that the inflation of national currencies is a bad thing, the fixed money supply is something that a computer scientist would have chosen for ease of implementation.  An unbounded money supply would have been a pain to program; he could not have used a fixed block and transition layout with 64-bit long ints, he would have needed a variable-length multiword integer, in the layout and in the implementation.

That is only one of many details in the protocol that suggest that it was never meant to be more than a computer experiment.  Take, for example, the abrupt halving of the reward every 4 years: it is a source of instability and uncertainty, the 2016 halving is already having people worried now.  Why didn't he specify a more gradual decrease, that would give the same 0.5 factor in 4 years but in small monthly steps? The only reason I can think of is that it would have required another page or two of source code, and a table of 48 steps, properly rounded, and another paragraph in the white paper...

68  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2015, 09:54:15 AM
your choice, pretty sure there are places that trade gold-btc and vice-versa.

Amagi Metals used to do so, and claimed that in 2016 they would abandon "fiat" altogether.  But now they have removed the "pay with BTC" options from their site.  Although they say it is not because of the price, just some internal reason.
69  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2015, 05:06:14 AM
This is like $1000 but in complete opposite. Cry

In a sense it is.  Everything indicates that the Nov/2013 bubble was the opening of the Mainland Chinese market, specifically the Chinese amateur and semi-professional commodity day-traders, through Huobi, OKCoin and other little-known Chinese exchanges.

I believe that what we have seen through 2014 and now is those Chinese traders are gradually getting disappointed with bitcoin and dumping the coins that they bought during that rally, which then come back to the "West" through arbitragers.  My guess is that those coins included the ~700 kBTC that went missing from MtGOX, and an unknown amount from other sources.  Perhaps 1 or 2 million BTC in total.

Normally I would expect an exponential decay than slows down with time, as in the Feb/2013 and Apr/2011 bubbles.  However, in the last couple of months the decay seems to be linear, or even faster than linear.  Perhaps the Chinese speculators are moving their money to the Chinese stock market, which has been booming in recent months.
70  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2015, 04:36:44 AM
Next support level is $65.

My guesses for support levels / bottom are

~200$ (the estimated plateau of the Oct/2013 bubble, nearly obliterated by the Nov/2013 one), then
~120$ (the plateau of the Jun/2013 bubble)
~ 50$ (the price where the Feb/2013 deflating bubble appeared to be tending to)
~ 15$ (the plateau of the Jun/2012 bubble)
71  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2015, 03:58:38 AM
Ask yourself, who in their right mind would embrace the moniker "bitcoin Jesus" ?
*edit* remember that video he put out saying that mtgox was safe? Just months before it collapsed?

It seems that, since he renounced his US citizenship in order to avoid paying income taxes, (a) the US government is obliged to deny his entry to the US, which already prevented him from attending a bitcoin event in Miami; and (b) the US IRS wants him to pay at once all the previously deferred taxes of his Memory Dealers business, some 10 million USD.

On reddit they suggested that Mark Karpelès should now make a video attesting that Roger Ver is still solvent.
72  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2015, 03:24:49 AM
What would the price be if bitcoin were used as the agent for clearing international trade?

I don't know how much space there is for bitcoin in that field. In large trades the two parties know each other and are backed by their respective countries, so they can rely on mutual trust (if one party defaults, that country's trade suffers) or trust in a third party (UN, WTC, International Court, US Navy, etc.).  Also, much of that trade seems to be done on credit anyway.  And volatility is going to be a big problem: one can forgive a 5% loss in a 20$ purchase, not so much in a 2 billion $ purchase.

We would have to wait for some examples of such use, before we can guess its potential growth. China importing 10 million frozen pizzas from Italy perhaps?
73  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 12, 2015, 11:18:44 PM
based on usability, Bitcoin doesn't deserve more than a 2 digits price at this moment.

I think I posted that math already: if there was no speculation (short or long term), just use as a currency, with todays usage volume, the price would quite probably be less than 25$, possibly as low as 3$.
74  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: January 12, 2015, 11:13:37 PM
why ppl have to post meme ?
Is it because the yuyu has yet to be devised?
Yo must be talking about yoyo, dont yo know that yoyo already devised ?
Who is yoyo?
Was the yo-yo invented by Yo-Yo Ma?
Do you get tired of asking questions?
Which do you find easier, asking questions or answering them?
75  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 12, 2015, 11:11:09 PM
I am completely shocked that you of all people are making this claim gmaxwell.

I understood "there has never been [a loss due to reused K value] in a proper implementation".
76  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: January 12, 2015, 04:34:43 PM
why ppl have to post meme ?
Is it because the yuyu has yet to be devised?
Yo must be talking about yoyo, dont yo know that yoyo already devised ?
Who is yoyo?
Was the yo-yo invented by Yo-Yo Ma?
77  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 12, 2015, 02:16:39 PM
Love how Bitcoin is such a den of thieves, scammers and con artists that we can't even keep it at one incident per week anymore.

This past week also:

CoinTerra to Users: “We Cannot Issue Any Payments”
http://newsbtc.com/2015/01/09/cointerra-users-cannot-issue-payments/

On /r/buttcoin someone posted an email message:
Quote
From: Delta Financial support@deltafinancial.com 11:33 AM
Dear clients,
Delta Financial will be ceasing its current services, including its interest account and trading products, as of January 30, 2015. Funds held in interest accounts will stop accumulating interest effective immediately.
We encourage users to log in and submit withdrawal requests for their BTC as soon as practicable. We will use our reasonable best efforts to make sure all client BTC is returned, even after we cease our current services. Effectively immediately, our trading engine will only allow you to purchase BTC, not sell. For users with USD balances over $1,000, you may request a withdrawal via wire by emailing support@deltafinancial.com.
To be clear, all user funds on our system are properly accounted for, and this closure is not the result of any security-related issues. Simply put, the financial products we wanted to build on the Bitcoin platform simply require a bigger trading volume than that what exists today.
We remain believers in the long-term potential of Bitcoin. We greatly appreciate the support from the Bitcoin community over the past year, and look forward to watching and supporting the continued growth of the Bitcoin ecosystem.
Please contact us at support@deltafinancial.com if you have any questions.

However, I haven't found any public news or announcements anywhere else.  It may be a hoax.
78  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 12, 2015, 10:14:20 AM


PS. I suppose you view those funds as good things.  Well, I have a very negative opinion of them: they are trying to sell bitcoins as 'safe fabulous investments' to people who do not understand what bitcoin is, and therefore do not understand the risk.

In fact, I believe that the funds are even riskier than bitcoin itself.  See SMBIT suspension of redemptions (withdrawals).  Have you read the "risks" section of the Winkles' filing?
79  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 12, 2015, 09:27:15 AM
Any word on when the ETF is likely to happen?

I think it was in the works but with the recent action, probably wont happen.

The ETF would have to buy the BTC and no ETF will want to buy something that will for sure lose value.

That is not exactly how the thing will work.

Whenever someone will buy 1 share of the ETF, the ETF will buy 0.2 BTC, by definition.  Thereafter that share will be a proxy for that 0.2 BTC stored in the fund's virtual vaults.  The value of the share will go up and down together with the market price of that 0.2 BTC.  There may be some difference because holding it may be viewed as safer/riskier and more/less convenient than holding the 0.2 BTC directly.

So, if the BTC price is not expected to rise, it will be the public who will not want to buy the ETF shares.
80  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 12, 2015, 09:16:14 AM
So [ the COIN fund will buy the coins from the Winkelvosses ] is your pure speculation.

Of course. What can we do except speculate?  Grin

Quote
As far as I know, they bought those bitcoin at 2 digits. If they wanted to sell, they could have sold anytime since late 2013 in the open market with sound profit. Why do they need to wait for SEC approval?

Perhaps because they expect the price to go up once the ETF is approved, for all the reasons that have been repeated so many times; where if they tried to sell 200'000 BTC on the open market the price would crash.

Quote
Why do you think they (or anyone) would want to create a bitcoin ETF?
Same question could be asked for any commodity ETF. One reason is to earn management fee. An ETF on NASDAQ will also significantly improve the liquidity of the bitcoin market and increase the value of their personal stash.

Well, the latter is almost the same thing as saying that they expect to sell their coins for a better price than if there was no ETF.

For the price and for the Winkles' profit, the effect of (Winkles seeling to the open market) and (COIN buying from the open market) should be almost the same as of (Winkles selling to COIN).

The Winkles do not have experience in fund management, why else would they go into that line business?  The management fees are not stellar, and are hard to predict.  How much did SMBIT collect in fees -- perhaps 5 million US$ in 15 months?

The real profit for fund creators comes from speculation -- from the sale of the underlying assets to the fund (i.e., indirectly, to those who buy fund shares) at better-than-market prices.  See for example those funds that the banks created from packages of worthless mortgages, before the 2008 crisis.
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