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581  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: December 08, 2014, 03:53:55 PM
A trezor copy is not a fake, it is free software and free hardware except the bootloader. Someone with capital and skill could do it, but they have to build their own reputation.
Bootloader source is also available now.
Also, I don't understand the purpose of the distinction.  Perhaps describing this theoretical device as a 'malicious Trezor' would be more accurate.

Yes, that is a more accurate term.  If you buy a Trezor from a third party, how can you tell that it is not a malicious fake Trezor?
582  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: December 08, 2014, 12:39:08 PM
In general the tin foil hatters here would probably be satisfied with buying from an official reseller if there were either a page listing/linking official resellers on satoshilabs website, or if stick/slush/Alena posts here to confirm your official reseller status.

Sure, the fake ATM machines and POS terminals, that clone credit cards, are all a figment of tinfoil hatters' imagination...

EDIT: SatoshiLabs would have to make sure that an official reseller is selling only legitimate Trezors.  How would they do that?

Half secure is not secure at all..
583  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: December 08, 2014, 07:52:49 AM
on initialization, the Trezor checks that the firmware is the same as the one shipped from factory.
A legitimate Trezor will do that. A fake Trezor can do anything -- including simulating the real one long enough to steal your coins.
A fake Trezor can do anything.... you pulled that out of your FUD hat?  Roll Eyes

You obviously don't own one... and didn't discuss this possibility with SatoshiLabs...  Please remember that Slush, the founder of SatoshiLabs, was the first to create a Bitcoin mining pool, in Dec 2010 https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/History- he knows a thing or two about bitcoins...

PS: Disclaimer: I am currently enrolled in the first Master Degree in Digital Currency http://digitalcurrency.unic.ac.cy/about-the-program with Andreas Antonopoulos.  He can't speak more highly of Trezor's security features. I agree with him.

Well, ask him what a fake Trezor can do, then.

Not to weigh on Dr Antonopoulos, who seems to be a honest guy (he left the Bitcoin Foundation, that puts him above all those who ae still there): but he did work as security consultant to the Neo & Bee scam.  So he may know a lot about cryptography, but not enough about what a fake businessman can do.
584  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: December 08, 2014, 05:51:38 AM
If delivery is a problem in the US, I am distributing Trezor from Los Angeles.  I mostly supply the people at Bitcoin and Fintech Meet-Ups here. Over a dozen units in stock at the moment.  All factory sealed units.
Need I remind you all about the risk of buying a Trezor from a reseller?
Please do.   Because on initialization, the Trezor checks that the firmware is the same as the one shipped from factory.

A legitimate Trezor will do that. A fake Trezor can do anything -- including simulating the real one long enough to steal your coins.
585  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: December 08, 2014, 04:43:34 AM
If delivery is a problem in the US, I am distributing Trezor from Los Angeles.  I mostly supply the people at Bitcoin and Fintech Meet-Ups here. Over a dozen units in stock at the moment.  All factory sealed units.

Need I remind you all about the risk of buying a Trezor from a reseller?

586  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: December 08, 2014, 12:06:52 AM
How many times did you fail to hear that?
587  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucked us over again on: December 07, 2014, 07:59:10 PM

Ah, OK.  So it did indeed go through the [00273...] wallet on the way to [0bc85..]=1QAHVy, and from there to BitPay.

So it is confirmed that [00237...] belongs to BFL, not HashTrade?
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/00237e09a5eed5df

The transfer of 5562.354 BTC from [0bc85..]=1QAHVy to BitPay happened among a cluster of other outputs to BitPay adding to ~17.2 kBTC, in October-November 2013. 

I am still puzzled by the way the 1QAHVy wallet was emptied of its 14 kBTC on 2014-11-06 and -07.  The FBI and USMS keep all seized coins in one address and do not move them until needed.  Why would the FTC receiver spread them in so many random pieces?  Enfin...

Hopefully we will get to know all the answers on Judgement Day.  If not this coming one, perhaps some other Judgement Day...

588  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: December 07, 2014, 06:36:34 PM
And what if it did have a happy ending, why do you want to know?
Don't you think knowledge is power?
Don't you think information should be free?
Does that mean that the price of bitcoin should be 0$?
Are you implying that bitcoin is information?
It is just bits, isn't it?
Is bitcoin information, currency, or both??
It is information, of course: but about what?
589  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 07, 2014, 06:34:04 PM
Folks, once more, please, hear the voice of experience: "don't drink and post".
590  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: December 07, 2014, 06:26:13 PM
And what if it did have a happy ending, why do you want to know?
Don't you think knowledge is power?
Don't you think information should be free?
Does that mean that the price of bitcoin should be 0$?
Are you implying that bitcoin is information?
It is just bits, isn't it?
591  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucked us over again on: December 07, 2014, 06:18:43 PM
Continuing the browsing of the addresses connected to 1QAHVy:

The [0bc85b2f9c] wallet (includes address 1QAVHy...)

Inputs

The wallet was created on 2012-07-08 with two lump payments:

6837 BTC on 2012-07-08 from [00237e09a5]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/30328c415ecb9211d415ab651c5f2399f71cc205b87af50878b55a5dc0d28d7e
This is the wallet of my previous summary, that apparently received many small payouts from mining pools
(EMC?), somewhat larger BTC amounts from BitPay (OTC sales by BitPay?), and a couple of large inputs from
other unidentified wallets.

5698 BTC on 2012-07-08 from wallet [5fadefc1a4]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/00b7681b00e29b715d2e97de70050f9801783b3d6babc228ec27643916c2b565

Most inputs after that were from the same [00237...] wallet, ending with a 25 BTC transfer on 2014-01-15.  Most of these inputs were round multiples of 100 BTC, usually below 300 BTC but sometimes several thousands. The largest ones were

1400 BTC on 2012-07-23 from [00237e09a5]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/ee3f4b4d6910ffb7386f8ea8623929e1ccf34bd323a2820b6ee7ea3408aba59d

4500 BTC on 2013-01-03 16:08:42 from [00237e09a5], in two transactions
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/7970f39cc249b06faf8009ea4658fd71a645995353a32361b47f8a3bf0678924
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/b33b0f27d8a835d846806dc7d2886004781286be9797a6d2c81a79048a2b8313

There were also two large inputs that used [00237...] as a waystation:

10204 BTC on 2012-10-30 01:52:28    from [00237e09a5]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/09ad9cd63a10d52eccdcd1766a59ee799f99f57b4e1db3bc3edffbe9861ddf87
This transfer immediately followed an input of the same amount to [00237e09a5], and was immediately passed on to [0199fe2457] (see Outputs below)

7675 BTC on 2013-10-11 from [00237e09a5]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/b90e4ded5a7d841931ec76b396d7773756a03cd60a43566221e34e403526ac6d
This one too followed an input of the same amount to [00237e09a5]

A few other inputs resembled the periodic inputs in amount, but apparently came from other wallets:

100 BTC on 2012-08-14 from [911d330079]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/bcbecb5b8dc41914773e06dd93351811ab0b56cf4b8f0ab8c49c62a6f7776db2

300 BTC on 2013-08-20 from [4bdb00c7df]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/36fb6e0a9e6160b6276bf8e8df510d398366561c9d79f2607f17f20de37c321c

100 BTC on 2013-08-27 from [356581d47f]   
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/e946ad3f5938854849bfd7c19db525f3ceabe5ecc032792a38c2ddbea65e73f5

100 BTC on 2013-09-04 from [7568e9f6cf]   
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/69fd3fe321f9bca7ac024a6f30a8d54dd8ecc5c7d49d8aa2b8055bdbc668f8a6

Perhaps these wallets were collecting payouts from other pools, or perhaps they were collecting from EMC too and the website did not recognize them as belonging to the same wallet as [00237e09a5]   

There was another large input from wallets other than [00237...]:

1331 BTC on 2012-11-07 from [fafee76e01]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/7d9f747d5e1e5c936f93a9acabc54a565368706d4eb68b23f4447fad13a7c0aa

The quasi-regular inputs from [00237...] were quite frequent until about October 2013, then stopped as that source dried up (with two exceptions 50 BTC on 2-13-11-14 and 25 BTC on 2014-01-15).

One last large input occurred recently, while the wallet was being emptied "in panic" (see Outputs below):

+569.54616451 on 2014-11-07 from [833471fe51]       
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/2743c39fd224f2f27bed1cc361f01df87e243fcc4d7159ded4560207b82e6247


Outputs

These are notable outputs

-100 BTC on 2012-08-02  to Eligius.st
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/45d41f9297ebfbb0d840b47698698d0b3499b35ce109e55093477ffd97a49763
Note that this is an output to (not input! from!) a wallet attributed to Eligius.

-100 on 2013-10-11 to [0bc85b2f9c]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/724816890785a4cf7e4cb0245b35901ae81ed000a7d5ccd7be0a2f40b9f4608a

-1200 BTC in 2 halves on 2012-09-06 and 2012-09-10  to [3b3a824e5a]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/1de515f90017fd81fe855df27f8f1679cc220a28e6166b48091fe9a7ff7d369f
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/06907826d4873c5c6610206e6b0b83ff80946e46114ef2e3e652e876d47d6c50

-3180 BTC on 2012-09-19  to [6a92161756]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/0be10c1c92580e72e3681889cc0e7a62277406a499e987e9bccc62f29fb72ab7

-1100 BTC in 4 transactions on 2012-10-04 to [233cbf80e9]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/b219d2d0f1f7ea98e74c3d3788e77fb17f5f9d7e588d5cc8fa0dab75a98dd497
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/75e6fbc936fea36ff26a7900c97acab62ff1769483a894131bcc0a4bba538845
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/37d1dfc19533feb5e1ec82876303cf5abc127f6e751097147eedf10dd91c96e1
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/447f4b4a4432e804bfc806df8acbe15b210543e37426b52c4eacaf0aad6ac443

-117 BTC on 2012-10-19 to [645d228a51]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/00532a237439364358f1dbe5ae003a654a5f1a1d5ad86d2cdd0d2aff12ade587

-10204 BTC on 2012-10-26 to [0199fe2457]
-2331 (change?) on the same tx to [fafee76e01]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/9ff629b7679baf77d3d73600a63737950568582687a3882ecf53a53cdf2d3505

-3000 BTC on 2012-11-07 to [00840ebae9]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/d7ea1ae56adf13badaedcd058524b9c0319cfaa96b90e0a5b1ee54e831a5926d

-144 BTC on 2012-11-15 to [05b3ee0463]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/eb80e07a0219ab5df3b3e9ab56e5f733ad7b52ffde8e6c60f45be00ef8c39276

-144 BTC on 2012-11-27 to [0096cdb8ad]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/78ea7de076e59112b4efeb6f5383869b87670ab40d2b82e18532791351dcfc2d

-300 BTC on 2012-11-27  to [f4b441d64a]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/e9e413948aa5fac3113085577745914f64fba95282496e40ad733ab0eebcd44a

-112 BTC on 2012-11-30 to [0998f29e6c]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/d6c251cdfd3eeaabf042d3643be5bebb47846f45d7c23a766cf0aa0c93f48b68

-400 BTC on 2012-12-13 to [ed207a9a9a]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/e6042c797e5b1edc386579e175f7dfb1606738260f753f222d3b20aa1dc2d23f

-300 BTC on 2013-01-21 to [f4b441d64a]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/9fae356932e0ac27c4dd6d11340fb7a60ca0c4d1b799d3b6457993dbdc5b4d2d

-92.7495 on 2013-01-28 to BitPay.com
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/f4a71283aeda8b24eeee14fc5d50fc0563d6cec4a05aa2e7a1a829042c278a9f

-250 BTC on 2013-03-15 to [f32dcdfe06]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/aa4f396fe32e6d0e5e862746a4d85baa0b76cf10585b560524045bdc8999fc57

-3643 BTC (in 4 transactions) on 2013-03-19 to [56e5ab2bd7]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/31673ef11ccb6b9d548da3b03ccc28c084428044268495fb7940092f8b21a957
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/823de34c26e4efff871e2a693c9b77f77375a58d5f094baa16a6d4a816b8bdc8
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/10160a9edb218924efc27fa62cc29cb68ed0e5983a9f9fc78feeac218f31852f
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/13d07e611df375f95da83c08d83d4bfe074abe53b001bbe9eb08b905daf3fb00

-250 BTC on 2013-04-03 to [7d685f5210]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/a6b068506f5c06585f4fdba53395c85c8b341dc3fab0635929e6f303030c9b09

-250 BTC on 2013-04-06 to [7d685f5210]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/835d7efb1af0d40e0c2a21928a00c4919d7391c4ada368d8c7a593792ff583d6

-500 BTC on 2013-04-13 to [76644bb6ec]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/666fbe1938832d671fc77e43726e2edcf60d991abd01ea310ff71aadff930728

-1000 BTC on 2013-05-31 to [2a4ac77478]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/5f84beaf5054f5be72600b273f24fd299c817c2ed0c64681fc04aa6e9161c0ea

-200 BTC on 2013-10-08 to [4448331ae8]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/16b27c5f2d0bb7841803e728e0f511818095486eebf5a5b6a56a12bd3b4372a2

Then, between 2013-10-14 and 2013-11-13, there was a series of large outputs to BitPay.com adding to ~17.2 kBTC:

-1480.933 on 2013-10-14 to BitPay.com
-1441.2337 on 2013-10-16 to BitPay.com
-1406.0742 on 2013-10-16 to BitPay.com
-1336.8984  on 2013-10-18 to BitPay.com
-5562.354 on 2013-10-21 to BitPay.com
-998.5146 on 2013-10-29 to BitPay.com
-990.0718 on 2013-10-31 to BitPay.com
-2134.1463 on 2013-11-08 to BitPay.com
-2000 on 2013-11-13 to BitPay.com
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/2790c19a9d74297b36839f79a6b570677a7b84c805f47034aaf0899670c6beb8
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/145c1fb214601b99cb838bb269f412b83837806f1aad306c8e4b08ed6bd28fec
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/7b0c402b230fa1b54316b047ead41770119ad78e3191cae52488b6180434360e
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/764ecc522b0025552f9091bc649fde5fb6438eaddc7ca464f341856f4f305e1a
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/1b6ea350c094071412df1f801651263fd65ffa0b89ad6c8626ceeca8755f50bc
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/724e16d0ab0076f3a980f4d90898ebfc71d20fb51462bae3f1dc2be030903cbd
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/b0d6faadaf6972b4d371d7a961a193ad022915925f5b6b15c92fd663882d44fb
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/692537f49ce437e45c1f3fefaa81fc2ab391ef1fa7853acdedbde47087973b3c
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/df622df7a6e94e700d87f775737ac37848431a17329d2c9734c6769c9dfd558e

One payment of -1390.5652 on 2013-10-17 to BitPay.com was reversed on 2013-10-18.  Apparently a mistake, since it was followed by the -1336.8984 BTC payment above, on 2013-10-18.

There were news in the media of a downpayment of 1 million dollars from HashTrade to BFL through BitPay.  The dollar value of the above transfers seem to be about right, and the date too.  It has been conjectured that this wallet may belong to BFL or someone from its staff; if so, BFL was using BitPay to convert BTC to USD.
 
After this set of outputs to BitPay, ending on 2013-11-13, there were no more significant outputs for a while. At the same time, the quasi-regular inputs from [00237...] largely stopped.  However the [0bc85...] wallet still had a substantial balance, ~41 kBTC.  The next significant outputs were
 
-800 BTC on 2014-06-13 to BitPay.com
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/ff2805f515a6b5e35dbc972056dcad841835ddff97eb9fafe5022bd2fdea1741

-200 BTC on 2014-07-03 to [2eb8129ccc]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/0bc922ef88d7161ce3de8297a13a01f33facbd94909dd968f0bbf9472d3f3364

-1700 BTC on 2014-07-15 to BitPay.com
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/a2acd03f700af1111c102c4d43a5aaccfe9bc98fb634df71cd60d7ddca1ea777

Then, between 2014-08-7 and 2014-09-17, there was a series of large outputs to wallet [048a2969db], adding to 10.9 kBTC
(minus 1 BTC that was sent to [af81e9e158]):

-499 BTC on 2014-08-07 to [048a2969db]
-1000 BTC on 2014-08-15 to [048a2969db]
-2300 BTC on 2014-08-21 to [048a2969db]
-1500 BTC on 2014-08-26 to [048a2969db]
-2500 BTC on 2014-09-04 to [048a2969db]
-2500 BTC on 2014-09-10 to [048a2969db]
-1500 BTC on 2014-09-17 to [048a2969db]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/2f73b5f120d87c10cb7be68b2a711fbb82122df5d8c799740217a8518b8a17ef
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/b8051afcfcc5778b1f871c7c81358e38b13688d76847956d907ac69295ea5761
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/7ab6e12411370990ccfaaebd037a3f5d9cd1b374c8d283b902c85c9256d797bc
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/03e15e056bc367222c96ec2a840f36028a2fca5c4e9fa1247bf4e2da3ca90c86
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/43f1e2bf8a034f5371bf4b7fa864ab93c20e5161696fd9555cf70d3bb01ec7a0
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/ca76d85c5cc15d0b23913ea624a67fb39a1ac1164b605252013338a3049ed14a
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/304c636c0da4d0512d521dc8203219d97592da4438931cffe4f5a6102c5ce2c2

Among these there was another large output to a different wallet:
-1988.1 on 2014-08-25 to [5c1cca830b]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/c9b267bfef483c23032002a206ff8067d80688496afb4d12d61fb4918a5df7f4

Note that the last withdrawal to [048a2969db] was on 2014-09-17, just before the FTC raid on BFL.  At that point there were sill ~24.3 kBTC in this wallet.

There was no further action on this wallet (except one spam dust input) until 2014-11-06 22:42:31, when 0.001 BTC wre removed to wallet [a7852ea93a]:
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/c4e3425876bd660fc0adb3cd1171c8cff4a7010c7d369198bacb607876a89044

As noted before, one hour later a series of transactions, that spanned about 3 hours, emptied the wallet to several other wallets, in an apparent attempt to tumble them.


592  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 07, 2014, 02:27:19 PM
The first auction pushed the price from $570 to $640
The first auction caused a 50$ drop when it was announced, and a 50$ jump back when it was known that one bidder got it all.  So this time the market just optimized its response, assuming that the outcome would be similar.  Let's see.
593  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucked us over again on: December 07, 2014, 08:53:59 AM
About those BitPay inputs to wallet [00237...]: perhaps BitPay was selling bitcoins directly to the owner of that wallet, off-exchanges, instead of selling them at the exchanges? 

If the [00237...] wallet belongs to BFL, or to some BFL official, were they buying those bitcoins from BitPay with customer's money?

There are too many BitPay inputs to that wallet to add by hand.  I may try to hack some script to do that...
594  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: December 07, 2014, 08:46:04 AM
And what if it did have a happy ending, why do you want to know?
Don't you think knowledge is power?
Don't you think information should be free?
Does that mean that the price of bitcoin should be 0$?
595  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucked us over again on: December 07, 2014, 08:23:48 AM
Still trying to understand the flow through the 1QAHVy address.  Sorry if I keep repeating stuff, my memory can't hold that much and I keep forgetting what I already noted down.

According to that great WalletExplorer site, 1QAHVy is part of this "wallet", that the site calls [0bc85...]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0bc85b2f9c9fb397

Most of the bitcoins that entered wallet [0bc85...] (basically, 1QAHVy) over the last 2-3 years came from the wallet [00237...]
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/00237e09a5eed5df

The [00237...] wallet

Wallet [00237...] apparently was a way-station that mainly collected many small payments of ~3 BTC with varying fractions and sends them to [0bc85...] in batches of round numbers like 25, 50, 100 BTC. 

Inputs

Those ~3 BTC payments into [00237...] came from 50 BTC block rewards that were split into dozens of small parcels of various sizes; so they must be payouts (or fees?) by a mining pool.  Some of them come from addresses that have been identified with the Eclipse Mining Consortium (EMC).  Since the values are all nearly the same, I would guss that all of those inputs to [00237...] are EMC payouts.

That [00237...] wallet was started on 2012-01-10 with a few lump inputs, and then started receiving those ~3 BTC payouts around 2012-03.  The payouts  many times per day.  Those payouts gradually dwindled in 2014; the last one was on 2014-09-11.  By that time they were down to about 1 per week, so the next one would have been due around 2014-09-18.  The FTC raid on BFL was 2014-09-19, if I recall correctly. 

Curiously, in 2012 and 2013 there were many inputs to [00237...], on the order of 10-500 BTC, from addresses that (according to that site) are part of the BitPay.com *receiving* wallet. For example, ~336 BTC on 2012-06-26:
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/1c13cb57654a6c6c3baafa5118f5c71fbf1ea18801ebe89c25b8fee14975adff
These inputs from BitPay(?) had a surge at the end of 2012 the continued sporadically through early 2014.
The last one was a tiny 0.02 BTC input on 2014-02-16.

There were a few other large inputs to [00237...] over those years, such as:

10204 BTC from [0096cdb8ad] on 2012-10-30
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/a72b6222d8c527233ee762f03c6503f9ff71460ec174b74ea45fa6de2da0ce29

2270 BTC from [0458048a4c] on 2012-11-15
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/1f505954220f2ad2ff72a9e6da137662a562a6536d9b7e2ee95b5d3c47941479

7661 BTC from [1199ebb349] on 2013-10-11
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/ac12026fa2734125f1a232e2e68b0f807cc6fc2580b7b78a857196ae2a6e038b

Those large inputs were promptly moved on to [0bc85...] = 1QAHVy with specific transactions.

Outputs

Most outputs from the [00237...] wallet went to the [0bc85...] wallet that includes 1QAHVy.  There were only a few significant outputs to other wallets, including: 

5700 BTC to [b70404ca3d] on 2012-05-03
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/8697d741a5ab9478a9a8166c885c717f143a71454cba5145e205dbb842bf2380

224 BTC to [006e55c699] on    2012-07-28
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/3583e14066eb6180f8c93c9cd0476f61ec27b982383b23d964e9b74f3aa0b783

2199 BTC to on 2013-01-03
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/3583e14066eb6180f8c93c9cd0476f61ec27b982383b23d964e9b74f3aa0b783

The first transfer to the [0bc85...] = 1QAHVy wallet was 6837 BTC on 2012-07-08:
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/30328c415ecb9211d415ab651c5f2399f71cc205b87af50878b55a5dc0d28d7e

The periodic round discharges to [0bc85...] = 1QAHVy started a couple of weeks later and continued through October 2013. After that, as the mining inputs became scarce, there were only two transfers to 1QAVHy: 50 BTC on 2013-11-14, and 25 BTC on 2014-01-15.  After that there were only a handful of ~3 BTC inputs and a few small outputs to other addresses, leaving ~57 BTC balance at present.

As said above, the discharges to [0bc85...] = 1QAHVy were usually round multiples of 25 BTC up to 500 BTC each.  However there were a couple of larger discharges, after the anomalous large inputs above.

I will try to provide a similar summary of the flow through [0bc85...] = 1QAHVy at a later time.
596  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: December 07, 2014, 01:14:53 AM
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What part of the domain name answerthequestionabovewithaquestion.com being available didn't your understand?
is this a trick question?
Should we even answer it?
Why, are trick questions somewhat special?
597  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucked us over again on: December 07, 2014, 12:52:00 AM
I've already shown that the BTC for Josh's house stemmed from BFL's 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA that the FTC now has possession of

That block explorer site has assigned the 1QAHVY address to this wallet:
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0bc85b2f9c9fb397

There is a conspicuous cluster of large transfers from that address to BitPay, from 2013-10-14 to 2013-11-13:
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/2790c19a9d74297b36839f79a6b570677a7b84c805f47034aaf0899670c6beb8
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/145c1fb214601b99cb838bb269f412b83837806f1aad306c8e4b08ed6bd28fec
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/7b0c402b230fa1b54316b047ead41770119ad78e3191cae52488b6180434360e
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/b4a2190e560ade326ee4140efcbe60c132e7ae6e4841b6cdf74f44ffaa2edd47
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/764ecc522b0025552f9091bc649fde5fb6438eaddc7ca464f341856f4f305e1a
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/1b6ea350c094071412df1f801651263fd65ffa0b89ad6c8626ceeca8755f50bc
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/724e16d0ab0076f3a980f4d90898ebfc71d20fb51462bae3f1dc2be030903cbd
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/b0d6faadaf6972b4d371d7a961a193ad022915925f5b6b15c92fd663882d44fb
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/692537f49ce437e45c1f3fefaa81fc2ab391ef1fa7853acdedbde47087973b3c
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/df622df7a6e94e700d87f775737ac37848431a17329d2c9734c6769c9dfd558e

I did not check the total USD amount (price was changing fast those days), but on eyeball those transfers may be the 1 M$ that HashTrade was supposed to have paid BFL through BitPay, according to media reports.  Is that correct?  

We believe that the transaction that paid for Josh's house was this one, right?
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/470dd9660d62b60ce8451c22392ba119b1c0b97d0927d6d5ef3ee0c2da043585
As discussed some pages ago, this transaction is dated 2014-04-28 evening.  Allowing for bank transfer delays, it seems to match the reported date of the sale, 2014-04-30 or 2014-05-01.  And the amount (~1061 BTC) seems to be just right.

However, I do not see the connection of that transaction to the 1QAHVy address.  

What I see is that 1013 BTC were taken out of Bitstamp on 2014-04-24 to this wallet
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0401961f93d48b8d
On the next day (2014-05-25)  956 BTC were added to that wallet, taken from this one
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/4a90c2ff13f8cccd
From that total, 1061 BTC were sent to Bitpay, as above; and the rest went to this wallet
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0096cdb8ad645f3b
After another move, the bulk of the latter coins ended up here, and stopped:
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/cc52025fea60b632

EDIT: deleted half-sentence left over from editing.
598  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: December 06, 2014, 10:54:33 PM
Similarly, Karpeles was not allowed to testify in Dallas last April. That's when Mt. Gox was pushed into liquidation so a trustee could be the only possible witness (never called). Mark himself has stated that he is subject to an NDA.

I don't recall that.  My recollection is that Mark refused to appear, with some weak excuses
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27032221
and eventually the lawsuit was called off by the plaintiffs (Greene and Lack) after they made a deal with Sunlot. 

"I am under a gag order from the FBI" is a good excuse to evade questions.  How do we know that such an order exists?  (Once you catch someone telling a straight-faced lie, you should not base any reasoning on anything he says or writes.)
599  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2014, 09:37:47 PM
most of the blockchain traffic seems to be non-payment transactions

What sort of non-payment transactions?

Transactions between addresses that belong (logically or actually) to the same person or entity:

* tumbling
* hotwallet/coldwallet transfers
* wallet management
* deposits/withdrawals to/from accounts in exchanges, casinos, wallet sites, ...
* proof of ownership / solvency
* moving coins as a precaution against theft
* collecting miner rewards
* stress-testing of wallet software
* deliberate stuffing of the traffic

Also transactions where coins change hands but not in exchange for goods and services:

* trading coins for cash or other crypto
* distributing mining pool rewards
* payout of bitcoin profits from company to personal wallets

I don't know why the transactions per day are increasing, if the amount of dollars represented by those transactions has been flat or falling for the last year.   Obviously, the average dollar value of each transaction is much less than it was in January/2014.
600  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2014, 08:41:49 PM

Indeed, everything is just fine.  The blockchain transaction volume in USD (minus changebacks) has peaked over the last month, and is almost back to the June 15 level:
https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume-usd?timespan=1year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=7&show_header=true&scale=0

Like the traffic on the "BipPay.com wallet", whose plots I posted recently, this chart does not support the claim that use of bitcoin for payments is increasing.  That use may be increasing, but most of the blockchain traffic seems to be non-payment transactions, so we would not be able to see the increase anyway.

Moreover the current level of blockchain traffic is very easy to fake, and there are many people out there who would be motivated to fake it.
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