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1361  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
You're forgetting the large group of people who do not think about Bitcoin price at all.
You mean, those who will buy bitcoin for ideological reasons, at any price? They must all have all run out of money, because they are not buying for 255$, either.
I have a tradeable balance of $35,000. I'm not out money or even close. That doesn't even count fiat I have in my bank account. I'm just waiting for a little bit of retracement to maximally punish any weekend dumpers.

You are looking to gain more by short-term trading, profiting from short-term variations of the price.  That is not a rational strategy, since the expected gain of that activity is slightly negative.  Some traders may make a profit, but some will lose money, and the average gain of all traders (compared to the long-term expected gain) will be negative.

If your expectation of the price increase over the next few years is more than the expected increase in value of other possible investments, then the best strategy is basically invest all your disposable money as soon as you can, and hold until you want to spend your profit.

Otherwise, the best strategy is not to invest at all.

Short-term speculation makes sense only if you believe that there is some key attribute -- knowledge, skill, luck, courage, determination, intelligence, reaction speed -- that increases one's expected profit at day trading, and that you have more of that thing than the average speculative trader out there.

Indeed, it seems that the only reason why day-trading exists is that most people think that they are better than average in that regard.  Which is not likely, since the traders that are dumber than you will go broke and drop out before you do, while the super-traders with robots and privileged information, who are surely better at the game than you, will hang around to the end and will probably take your money before you can take theirs. (You may have noticed the absence lately of several posters who apparently enjoyed eating dog food in order to pay for Risto's cigars and for KnC's global warming plants.)

If you accept that you are no better that the average day-trader, and you have a positive expectation for the price in the long run, short-term trading will give less expected profit than just buy and hold -- because you will not profit from the end-to-end trend during those times when you are holding dollars. For example, if you expect a 20% valuation over 3 years, but you keep 50% dollars and 50% BTC, on the average, over that time frame, then your expected profit will be only 10%. 

A similar conclusion holds if you have a negative expectation for the price in the long term: day-trading is a bad idea, because  you are expected to lose money while you are holding BTC.  If you expect the price to drop 20% over the next 3 years, then, by day-trading with a 50% BTC average position, you will have a 10% expected loss.  Whereas, if you don't invest at all, your loss will be 0%.
1362  Economy / Speculation / Re: SecondMarket Bitcoin Investment Trust Observer on: March 01, 2015, 01:49:40 PM
This showed up in my Google news alert today  Smiley
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/BTCV/profile

Well, it seems that SMBIT is listed at OTCQX finally.

Is trading there open yet?

Will SMBIT re-enable redemptions?

The SEC filing does not seem say much, unfortunately.  Anything that we did not know already?
1363  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2015, 01:35:21 PM
Well, the price being 252$, it means that everybody who who owns bitcoin thinks that they are worth more than 245$; but, on the other hand, everybody in the world who has some money to spare thinks that 1 BTC is not worth 255$.
You really are not much of an economist, are you ?
No appreciation of logic either. Not  everyone with spare cash has heard of bitcoin yet.
How could they think that 1 BTC is worth 255$, if they haven't even heard of it?  Smiley
1364  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2015, 10:44:01 AM
You're forgetting the large group of people who do not think about Bitcoin price at all.

You mean, those who will buy bitcoin for ideological reasons, at any price? They must all have all run out of money, because they are not buying for 255$, either.
1365  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2015, 10:07:31 AM
Well, the price being 252$, it means that everybody who who owns bitcoin thinks that they are worth more than 245$; but, on the other hand, everybody in the world who has some money to spare thinks that 1 BTC is not worth 255$.   The latter think that the chances of it being worth more than 1300$ anytime in the next few years are much less than 20%.
I don't know where you get the stat but I feel sorry for them.
It is not a survey, just math.  If anyone with money to invest thought that the chances of BTC hitting 1300$ in the next 2 years were higher than 20%, they should buy it even for 300$.  But they aren't, so...
Why not 19% or 21%?

Just rounded the number.  To get a more accurate value one should consider also the chances of it reaching 1200 but not 1300, 1100 but not 1200, 1000 but not 1100, etc.  Then one would get much less than 20% for "will get above 1300".

The 20% number is the upper bound, assuming that those buyers consider only two possibilities: "will get higher than 1300$ sometime in the next 2 years" or "crashes to 0$ right after I buy it, and stays there forever".  Then p*1300 + (1-p)*0 < 255, which gives p < 255/1300.  If they are considering other cases besides those two (which of course they are), then p must be even less than that.

Anyway, note that it is what "the market" must be thinking, not what I think.
1366  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2015, 09:48:29 AM
Well, the price being 252$, it means that everybody who who owns bitcoin thinks that they are worth more than 245$; but, on the other hand, everybody in the world who has some money to spare thinks that 1 BTC is not worth 255$.   The latter think that the chances of it being worth more than 1300$ anytime in the next few years are much less than 20%.

I don't know where you get the stat but I feel sorry for them.

It is not a survey, just math.  If anyone with money to invest thought that the chances of BTC hitting 1300$ in the next 2 years were higher than 20%, they should buy it even for 300$.  But they aren't, so...
1367  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2015, 09:15:16 AM
1. I am not advocating buying at the top of the rally, I am advocating buying right now. When it goes past $500, you are probably too late.
2. $10 million is nothing to hedge funds, retirement funds, etc. There will be be buying pressure right after the auction and long after.
3. People are going to be sick that they missed out on buying bitcoin at these prices. My advice is to buy what you can afford or forever regret. You are lucky to even know what it is at this point.

Well, the price being 252$, it means that everybody who who owns bitcoin thinks that they are worth more than 245$; but, on the other hand, everybody in the world who has some money to spare thinks that 1 BTC is not worth 255$.   The latter think that the changes of it being worth more than 1300$ anytime in the next few years are much less than 20%.
1368  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: March 01, 2015, 08:17:18 AM
Can you imagine explaining NoseCoin to people who have never heard of BTC?
Isn't nosecoin just BTC mined by hand? With a pick?
Isn't that just picking your nose?
Did you know that the ancient Egyptians thought that the brain's only function was to make nose goo, and therefore removed  the brain of a dead man through the nose, with a metal pick, before mummifying the body and other organs -- since, who would want to show up before Osiris and Isis with a runny nose?
1369  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: February 28, 2015, 05:07:23 PM
Why would you want that? Surely it would limit the participants? Wink
Since I am 90 km north of the tropic, would this be an off-tropic post?
1370  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/how-to-buy-bitcoin-from-a-bitcoin-atm-cm449490

The article, published by NASDAQ, ends with this hinting sentence:
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But you know Bitcoin has arrived when you see one of Wall Street's most venerable institutions sinking money into it...
Does the ETF launch on monday?

Actually it ends with
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The views and opinions expressed herein are the views and opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of The NASDAQ OMX Group, Inc.
Wink
1371  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: February 27, 2015, 11:15:06 PM
Why shouldn't I care about it?
Are you talking about one special mountain?
Why would you wanna talk about mountains at all?
Have you read Sigmund Freud's theory about mountains and cliffs which are symbols of the male organ ?
Is it worth reading once I complete the "Smell the Valleys" tome?
I dont know there is such book, did you know that valley is a common feminine dream-symbol ?
I know it is a dream symbol, do you know what kind of symbol?
Should we keep dreaming?
So, does it mean you did ever have this kind of dream ? how do you feel ?
Are you Sigmund Freud reincarnated?
1372  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2015, 06:28:07 PM
another filthy sock puppet

Today I expect to see many spock uppets too.
1373  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2015, 04:00:44 PM
https://twitter.com/GateHubNet/status/571326310036979712
Bullish!   Wink Cheesy Grin
Jorge, plz confirm.  Thx in advance.

I can confirm that you have posted the above.  You are welcome. Smiley
1374  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2015, 03:28:05 PM
...
The blockchain is already what? 30Gigs? 40gigs?  That's a lot of storage and a lot of bandwidth. If you were to increase the size of the blocks it will become very costly for individuals to run full nodes, leading to centralization...

If we end up not liking it, we can always change it back.  Just like the 21 million coin limit Smiley

That was cruel.  Cheesy
1375  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2015, 03:27:38 PM
It is the upper limit, not the block size itself being increased. Block size increases when the transaction increases. Without a proper upper limit, some day no one can send or receive BTC.

IIRC, someone objected that it would become an advantage for a miner to assemble empty or very short blocks, because that would give him an edge over miners who work on full 20 MB blocks (which would take significantly longer to propagate).  Thus there was a proposal to force all blocks to be 20 MB long, irrespective of their actual contents.  Does it make sense?
1376  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2015, 02:42:15 PM


Is that a list of bitcoin symptoms?

  Homogeneity: "there can be only one cryptocurrency, bitcoin"

  Centralization: of miners -- we went through that already.

  Division: any governance or coordination of players is a mortal sin, by definition of the protocol.

  Imitation:  "Look at me, I invested in 2011 and I got rich, just do the same"

  Emotionality:  need I belabor?

 Cheesy
1377  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2015, 02:32:35 PM
Couldn't that jump have been just a large buy by Kim Dotcom?


It could have been, but then it could have been Bill Gates,

or it could have been Michael Jacksons Dr

Or it could have been Ben Lawsky

Or it could have been King Abdullah II of Jordan

Or it could have been the guy that ran off with Adam Drapers 50K

Or it could have been Mr and Mrs Wattanabi

Or it could have been Justin Ratner

Or it could have been Adam Gubersnoz

Or it could have been Mark Karpeles

Or it could have been Mrs Obama

Or it could have been.........

You get the idea.


Also why would a 50K buy from KimDotcom be "just a large buy"  is he subhuman? or his RMB not as good as the next guys? or are you insinuating that it is "just" the actions of some sort of bulltard millionaire who has no idea what they are up to? hmmmmm?  

(note to all exchanges if Kimmy wants to buy 50K coins, spit in his face and call him a cunt, apparently Jorge says his dollars are not good enough and do not count /j)  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

^^ Jorge is the most paranoid conspiracy theorist I've seen yet.

My, nerves are badly exposed here. 

I though that it was people buying that made price to go up.  Sorry for the stupidity.  What is the real cause? the Mystic Vital Force of the Triangular Fibonacci Retracements, or whatever?

What about this? [ OKCoin's "red envelope" giveout ]

The giveout was only 10'000 BTC total and spread out in time.  This jump was too sharp to be that.

Could it be Gavin's tweet?  It seems that many people read it as some breaktrough that would boost the block rate 60x and/or solve the problems of 20 MB blocks.
1378  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2015, 01:26:34 PM
Couldn't that jump have been just a large buy by Kim Dotcom?
1379  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2015, 01:23:50 PM
What is that x60 faster thing any way? How does it effect the protocol?

Gavin was testing his proposed changes, that include increasing the max block size from 1 MB to 20 MB.  He noticed that the nodes  were taking too long (hundreds of milliseconds) to validate a block, even when the node had seen all transactions before and thus did not need to validate them again.  That wasted time impacted the time needed to propagate a block from node to node.  He tweaked and hacked the code until he got that part of the code to run a lot faster, saving some memory too.  That improvement reduced the estimated 1MB-block propagation time, in that easy case, from 600 ms to 10 ms.

Where can one find more info about this?

Gavin tweeted the link to the github page: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5835
1380  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2015, 09:54:29 AM
What is that x60 faster thing any way? How does it effect the protocol?

Gavin was testing his proposed changes, that include increasing the max block size from 1 MB to 20 MB.  He noticed that the nodes  were taking too long (hundreds of milliseconds) to validate a block, even when the node had seen all transactions before and thus did not need to validate them again.  That wasted time impacted the time needed to propagate a block from node to node.  He tweaked and hacked the code until he got that part of the code to run a lot faster, saving some memory too.  That improvement reduced the estimated 1MB-block propagation time, in that easy case, from 600 ms to 10 ms.

That is good news for people running nodes, but it will not be noticed by ordinary clients. The target block rate will still be 1 block every 10 minutes.
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