Bitcoin Forum
May 09, 2016, 01:36:33 AM *
News: New! Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.12.1 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Donate Login Register  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 ... 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 [80] 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 ... 362 »
1581  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 08, 2015, 12:51:28 AM
Wow, so you mean that the part that says " bitcoin trading volume" might be about the bitcoin trading volume instead of e-payments.   Shocker !  What a masterpiece of misinformation....

Yes, that is a good example of how you can lie (= "intentionally lead people to believe in something that you don't believe") by telling the truth.

What would a casual reader understand by "trading volume"?

Quote
Also, companies that "accept bitcoins" do in fact accept bitcoin. They might not hold the bitcoins, and convert them to fiat, but they do accept them.

Bitpay gives merchants the option to actually receive the bitcoins, but the big companies listed there surely opt to receive dollars (for practical as well as financial reasons).  The conversion to dollars is done by BitPay, not by the companies.
1582  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 08, 2015, 12:40:25 AM
http://www.btcfeed.net/news/bitpay-processed-over-100-million-in-bitcoin-transactions/
As of May 2014,
"Today BitPay has processed over $100 Million in total and is currently processing $1 million in transactions a day." Cheesy

In May the price was ~450 USD/BTC, and on a good day BiTPay's presumed input wallet received over 2000 BTC.  So, indeed, in May they were processing 1 million USD/day ... tops.

They haven t updated that number since then, though.  Analysis of that wallet suggests that the USD volume that they have been processing has been decreasing with the BTC price.

AND a large fraction of that volume, as noted before, appears to be miners paying their bills, not Joe Public using bitcoins to buy stuff and services.
1583  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 08, 2015, 12:27:56 AM
-The fact that nobody is really interested in buying bitcoin to mainly use it as a currency aside from illicit goods, but more as a wild musical chairs speculation instrument.

-the fact that merchants "accepting bitcoin" just create more selling pressure. Spending bitcoin = dumping bitcoin.
Your first argument is a feeble attempt to push fallacy as fact.
Bitpay one of a few service providers says otherwise.

http://blog.bitpay.com/2015/02/04/bitcoin-and-bitpay-in-2014.html

That infographic is a masterpiece of misinformation.  Casual readers will think that the "23 billion USD (57% increase)" is usage for e-payments, but it is either the blockchain traffic or the trading volume at the exchanges.  BitPay has not released any meaningful numbers about the usage for e-payments through them.  Analysis of what seems to be their incoming wallet shows about 1000-2000 BTC per day, constant since mid 2013 at least, which may be miners paying their bills.  Excluding that component, BitPay's traffic seems to be a few hundred BTC per day, which would be perhaps 50 million (not billion) USD in 2014.  So, their unwillingness to post actual numbers is not surprising.

Also, needless to say, all of the companies that they list as "accepting bitcoin" infact do not accept bitcoins, only dollars.

1584  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 08, 2015, 12:07:54 AM
The distribution of bitcoins is pretty bad, but I have no idea how it is evolving.  There are many processes going on, some concentrate the coins (for instance, "professional" robot-driving traders collecting coins from many small traders) and others distribute them (for instance, large holders cashing profits by selling at exchanges, directly or through Bitpay). Who knows which kind predominates.

Fiat tends to have poor distribution as well. I've wondered if politics allows newly created money to be concentrated to a few at a faster pace than can trickle down to everyone else. They never see the "trickle down effect". With bitcoin, eventually the new coins stop and has no choice but to slowly become more distributed.

There are at least a couple of threads discussing the distribution of coins by owner:
Distribution of bitcoin wealth by owner (by @rpietila)
How many coins is a lot? (by @joe200)

Those analyses suggest that the distribution of bitcoins is a bit more unequal than the distribution of wealth in the world.
1585  Other / Off-topic / Re: Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: February 08, 2015, 12:01:36 AM
Quote from: JorgeStolfi
Quote from: picolo on Today at 09:45:07 AM

Quote from: noobtrader on Today at 09:00:52 AM

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on Today at 08:42:45 AM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on Today at 04:18:32 AM

Quote from: bitkilo on Today at 02:08:39 AM

Is it wrong to post in this thread when in a signature campaign?

What do you think we think of signature campaigns?

In this day and age are we still physically signing shit?

What u mean ? we cant sign with bitcoin ?

Why not?

Should we start a signature campaign to support a law forbidding marketing campaigns that pay users of bitcoin forums for inserting annoying ads in their signatures?
Should I shut up instead?

Posted From bitcointalk.org Android App
Oh, you are free to post, of course; but do you really have to use that bitcointalk.org app that can't even quote posts properly (something that any browser can)?
If you have me on ignore, I'm goin' to unfriend you on Facebook, and neither one of us want that, do we?
I can ignore people in my head; do you need a computer to do that?
1586  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2015, 10:43:13 PM
Do you think boom-bust cycles help prevent over investment and may lead to a better distribution of bitcoins?

The distribution of bitcoins is pretty bad, but I have no idea how it is evolving.  There are many processes going on, some concentrate the coins (for instance, "professional" robot-driving traders collecting coins from many small traders) and others distribute them (for instance, large holders cashing profits by selling at exchanges, directly or through Bitpay). Who knows which kind predominates.

In my view, every bubble could be explained by the opening of a new market, separated from the others by use (drugs, investment, trading), geography, culture, etc..  Some bubbles result in a lasting increase in demand that drives the price up, but some bubbles "deflate" over time, as the market shrinks and the demand returns to the previous level.  The bubble in early 2011 deflated almost completely over the rest of the year.  The Nov/2013 bubble (the Mainland China market) seems to be deflating too.

1587  Other / Off-topic / Re: Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: February 07, 2015, 10:26:23 PM
Quote from: JorgeStolfi
Quote from: picolo on Today at 09:45:07 AM

Quote from: noobtrader on Today at 09:00:52 AM

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on Today at 08:42:45 AM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on Today at 04:18:32 AM

Quote from: bitkilo on Today at 02:08:39 AM

Is it wrong to post in this thread when in a signature campaign?

What do you think we think of signature campaigns?

In this day and age are we still physically signing shit?

What u mean ? we cant sign with bitcoin ?

Why not?

Should we start a signature campaign to support a law forbidding marketing campaigns that pay users of bitcoin forums for inserting annoying ads in their signatures?
Should I shut up instead?

Posted From bitcointalk.org Android App
Oh, you are free to post, of course; but do you really have to use that bitcointalk.org app that can't even quote posts properly (something that any browser can)?
1588  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2015, 10:19:34 PM
Thats a lot of your assets to have in btc 50%

Since October, the bitcoin half lost 39% of its value (~380 to ~230).

The cash half is still worth pretty much the same...
1589  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2015, 10:05:46 PM
the roller coaster any digital currency needs to go through to establish itself as a real alternative to fiat
Wut?
1590  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: February 07, 2015, 06:07:05 PM
(2) Mark Karpeles was asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA). He talked about this on Reddit. Who, or what does this NDA protect?

Mark has lied before, so, whatever he said or says (except in an official deposition, under penalty for perjury) should be ignored.

Ukyo of BitFunder also claimed to have signed an NDA at the demand of US authorities.  That a convenient excuse to refuse to answer hard questions.

Quote
Now the trustee says he will "take necessary measures with respect to collection of receivables due from affiliated companies, etc." He apparently must be talking about two bankrupt/defunct entities, Tribanne and Bitcoin Cafe. If so, then why waste his time on collecting money from two broke companies?

Neither company was officially bankrupt.  Bitcoin Cafe was non-functioning, but Tibanne still was functioning after a fashion. IIRC it was trying to sell the trademark "bitcoin" and/or the DNS name "bitcoin.com", that it acquired before MtGOX's collapse.  Tibanne also claimed to be a creditor of MtGOX, since the staff was hired by Tibanne and provided by Tibanne to MtGOX; and Kobayashi had to authorize that payment.

But now Mark is refusing to repay the loans that he made to Tibanne and Bitcoin cafe (i.e., to himself).  So Kobayashi has formally asked for Tibanne to be placed in involuntary bankruptcy.  I understand that it is a necessary step to get an investigation of Tibanne's aaccounting, and perhaps getting Mark personally liable for the loan.

Quote
This month marks the first anniversary of the closure of Mt. Gox. When it closed down almost a year ago, we thought we knew (because they told us) that Mt. Gox had been hacked. Now we know even less than we thought we knew back then.

It was mark who claimed that the site had been hacked.  We now know that there was some internal foul play.  The police investigation is still udnerway, I believe.

Did the MtGOX victims warn the Court and Kobayashi about Jesse Powell's close involvement with Mark and MtGOX in 2011?  On that occasion, Jesse Jesse got to see and fix the insides of the system...
1591  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: February 07, 2015, 03:54:27 PM
Is it wrong to post in this thread when in a signature campaign?
What do you think we think of signature campaigns?
In this day and age are we still physically signing shit?
What u mean ? we cant sign with bitcoin ?
Why not?
Should we start a signature campaign to support a law forbidding marketing campaigns that pay users of bitcoin forums for inserting annoying ads in their signatures?
1592  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: February 07, 2015, 02:22:38 PM
https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20150202_tibanne.pdf
"...I, as the Bankruptcy Trustee of MtGox, will continue to make efforts to take necessary measures with respect to collection of receivables due from affiliated companies, etc."
What "affiliated companies, etc"?
It may be an incorrect translation from the Japanese.  He must be referring to Tibanne and the Bitcoin Cafe, which could be said to be "connected" or "related" to MtGOX.  "Affiliated" (from the Latin for "child") means "subordinated to" or "owned by"; the subtle distinction may have been missed by the translator.
Original Japanese is literally described as "Related Companies", and I don't see any missing points from the translator.

Thanks.  Tibanne and Bitcoin Cafe are certainly "related" to MtGOX but not "affiliated" to it.
1593  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: February 07, 2015, 10:37:46 AM
The link below is to a short doc on a mining rig in China that was just released.  According to the video, as of October 2014, this group was earning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8kua5B5K3I

The article about that visit was published last year already.  

BTC was ~350 USD last October, BTW.  As shown in the video, they were decomissioning miners of a specific brand and model because they were no longer profitable.  Is it possible to estimate, from that fact, what are their operating costs?
1594  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2015, 10:31:59 AM
Bitcoin wisdom still not working for me. Anyone found a fix? Or is wisdom dead for now?
Try www.vpngate.net and connect to a server from Japan. Worked for me on my desktop.
The maintainer just posted that the US server is down, but the EU server is OK. (Brazil is part of the EU it seems.  Cheesy) See the "Send feedback" link at the bottom of the chart.
1595  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucked us over again on: February 07, 2015, 10:29:08 AM
WTF THEY ARE NOT CLOSED DOWN ......NOR IS ANYONE IN JAIL YET...

I understood that the FTC requested a jury trial, that is scheduled sometime in coming months.  Is that correct?  If so, what exactly are the charges?
1596  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitcoinWisdom.com - Live Bitcoin/LiteCoin Charts on: February 07, 2015, 10:23:08 AM
US server is broken. We are trying to fix it. now temporarily use EU server instead.
Console shows bus error. It might be hardware issue.
Oh, and your coinbase page needs updating for volume!  Wink
It should distinguish Coinbase's brokerage service (the "old" Coinbase) from Coinbase's exchange (the "new" Coinbase).  Volume is available only for the latter, right?
1597  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: February 07, 2015, 10:18:32 AM
Is it wrong to post in this thread when in a signature campaign?
What do you think we think of signature campaigns?
1598  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: February 07, 2015, 10:16:32 AM
https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20150202_tibanne.pdf

"...I, as the Bankruptcy Trustee of MtGox, will continue to make efforts to take necessary measures with respect to collection of receivables due from affiliated companies, etc."

What "affiliated companies, etc"?

It may be an incorrect translation from the Japanese.  He must be referring to Tibanne and the Bitcoin Cafe, which could be said to be "connected" or "related" to MtGOX.  "Affiliated" (from the Latin for "child") means "subordinated to" or "owned by"; the subtle distinction may have been missed by the translator.
1599  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL fucked us over again on: February 07, 2015, 02:16:52 AM
Boy, am I dense! Not only was BFL able to write-off $822,898 for their taxes, but now I'm liable to pay taxes on the same $822,898, being that a copy of Form 1099-MISC was sent to the IRS.

Is it certain that it came from BFL?  Someone may have played a practical joke.

Even if it came from BFL, perhaps some crapbag there mailed you the form for revenge, and did not send the copy to the IRS.
1600  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitcoinWisdom.com - Live Bitcoin/LiteCoin Charts on: February 07, 2015, 01:33:01 AM
Btcwisdom.com dev team, dont you think you could have made it a tad bit easier for us to request help ?

The "Send feedback" link at the bottom of the chart directs to this thread.

The site owner is usually responds very quickly.  He may be traveling or something.

"Last Active:  2015-02-04, 15:04:05"
Pages: « 1 ... 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 [80] 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 ... 362 »
Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!